A&D scale non-auto trickle how to use?

DartonJager

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Was over at reloadingscale.com and saw an A&D scale for $450 and before I entertain investing that much $$$ in a scale can anyone who owns and uses this model explain how you weigh your charges with it and do so in a timely fashion?
Looking at it seams to me you would have to come up with an extension tube for your powder trickler to be able to add powder to get you to your desired chrage weight and being it's so accurate (0.0002g) do you find it difficult to use your powder trickler without constantly going over?

I currently use my PACT powder dispenser to throw a charge about 0.5 grains lite and then use my 1010 BBS to trickle up to my desired charge weight and do go over weight every now and then., but am thinking with a scale so accurate how do you avoid going over weight? Is a trickler that controllable at dispensing powder?
 

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I have an ohaus 10-10 scale and use it to reload small amounts around 10-50 bullets at a time. I scoop or drop a charge with my Harrell’s just below my desired weight then trickle grain by grain until it balances out maybe taking 10-20 seconds. This method works great for me so far. You cannot go wrong buying a A&D scale for sure!! Good luck!!
 

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I use a different scale, US Solid, 1mg/0.02 grain accuracy, without autofeed too, $140.
I use dippers that I make out of old brass cases that I glue to a tongue depressor.
[edit to add] Once I get my Harrel's powder feeds fixed, I'll use those to do a "drop" of the bulk of the load into a metered assembly. [/edit]
Then finish with a lab scoop that I tap to feed powder. A lab scoop example can be found here https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00FGDRBZS/ref=psdcmw_318041011_t1_B01MEH5QL1

[edit to add] I never understood why someone would use a manual trickler until I started doing loads this way. But note that when I use my LnL auto feed on "trickle" it will often dump 3-5 kernels at once. Useless. Too cheap to go buy a trickler, developed the habit of using the lab scoop to knock in a few kernels, one by one. Remembered it from watching a video of monks making a mandala, feeding grains of sand, one by one. [/edit]

RE: the A&D EJ-54D2 at CE Products
  • I don't understand their hype, load cell vs strain gauge. A load cell uses a strain gauge. Both will be destroyed if you exceed a certain weight and are subject to the resonant frequency of the material the strain gauge is mounted to (think tuning fork).
  • I *hate* how CE Products and scaleman.com lists names of customers who bought a product.
 
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Call the mfg.for instructions...
the A&D will weigh powder to
.02 gr.accuracy...they are worth the money if you shoot out past 100 yds.
 

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I use my reprogrammed Chargemaster and run my load 0.1 gn light, move my pan over to my FX-120i which I use with the shields removed. I then use my fingers to pluck a very few gns from a seperate pan, that has about 200 gns in it, and drop them in the charge pan to the desired charge. The powders I load with are tubular or spherical. The granuals of powder usually weigh from 0.02-0.04 each so it doesn't take but a few. Say my load is 68.2 gn, I call it good any where from 68.18-68.22 gns. I'm also seating bullets as I'm charging so it works for me. I also am checking every 3rd or 4th cartridge with my calipers as I load. I do have a Dandy trickler but found this way faster.
 

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Call the mfg.for instructions...
the A&D will weigh powder to
.02 gr.accuracy...they are worth the money if you shoot out past 100 yds.
I always use my RCBS Chargemaster and it works fine, I have the Lyman check weights and it is accurate with every weight after calibration. I am not a long range shooter but thinking about comments on this forum and exact powder charges contradict what was found to affect accuracy years ago in the Houston Warehouse story. Are there new developments or something I have to read where exact and minute powder charges are key?

"You can change the powder charge slightly, and it won’t really make any difference, but if you change the bullet seating depth or the grip on the bullet, you’re going to see bad things happen fast."
Lessons From Houston Warehouse
 

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I start with the charge master to throw just under and finish with a Dandy trickler. I made two scale trays the exact same weight and while I trickle one up to weight the charge master fills the other. The Dandy trickler has a long reach so it has no problem reaching under the breeze guard on the scale. I am sure you could use your Pact in a similar fashion.
 

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I’m using a modified Ohaus beam scale that shows the difference in weight with a single grain of powder. And a Dandy Products electric trickler that dispenses a single grain at a time. That trickler really works well.
 

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I've used a FX-120I setup for a year or so. I can tell you the best budget setup would be an accurate scale and a variable speed electronic trickler of some sort. Something you could make and dial for speed. The autothrow is OK but I've had to use a powder measure for fine ball powder and it doesn't change the speed all that much. The auto part of the trickler often ends up short even though theres alot of variables you can tinker with. You then hand turn it for the last kernel or two.
 

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Was over at reloadingscale.com and saw an A&D scale for $450 and before I entertain investing that much $$$ in a scale can anyone who owns and uses this model explain how you weigh your charges with it and do so in a timely fashion?
Looking at it seams to me you would have to come up with an extension tube for your powder trickler to be able to add powder to get you to your desired chrage weight and being it's so accurate (0.0002g) do you find it difficult to use your powder trickler without constantly going over?

I currently use my PACT powder dispenser to throw a charge about 0.5 grains lite and then use my 1010 BBS to trickle up to my desired charge weight and do go over weight every now and then., but am thinking with a scale so accurate how do you avoid going over weight? Is a trickler that controllable at dispensing powder?
Huh Really? I would have thought from all the advice you were giving other members on how great they work and that's the only thing to have that you already had one


 
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I throw charges with a chargemaster lite. Then transfer from that pan to another. While I add or subtract a kernel or two from the one on the FX 120i, the chargemaster is doing its thing. Works for me. The most the chargemaster is ever off is maybe 4 kernels of H1000 type powder which would be 0.10 to 0.16g. No trickler just a pair of tweezers.
 
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