FatBoy...
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Have any of ya'll tried the new 7WSM or the wildcat 7-300WSM? I'm brainstorming another long range rifle and these look like they'd be excellent choices for the high BC Bergers.
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7WSM ot 7-300WSM?
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daveosok
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I own a 7mm STW.
I have thought about doing a &mm Ultar instead of a 7m WSM.
The wsm and the 7mm caliber would be or possibly is bordering on an overbore cartridge.
In order to gain the full potential of the 7mm WSm you will need a longer barrel possibly no less than 28 being the bottom line and 30 being a good compromise.
My 7MM stw with the 180 gr Bergers and behind 74.5 grs of H1000 pushes it to 3100.
These Bergers like to be pushed fast almost to the point of disinegration in my rifle.
I have a 34 in Lilja 4 groove barrel.
This could be the reason why they need to be pushed faster in my gun.
One great advantage of the WSM case is no belt and shorter powder column.
One day I will rechamber it to the 7mm Tomahawk (300 Tomahawk necked down) and increase barrel length to 36 inches with a 1:9.5 twist.
I have yet to get to the range for testing of the LRBT 162 gr 7mm bullet, or Sierra's 168 MK or JLK's 168 gr bullet either.
Just my two cents, please all who read lets hear your comments.
Dave
I have thought about doing a &mm Ultar instead of a 7m WSM.
The wsm and the 7mm caliber would be or possibly is bordering on an overbore cartridge.
In order to gain the full potential of the 7mm WSm you will need a longer barrel possibly no less than 28 being the bottom line and 30 being a good compromise.
My 7MM stw with the 180 gr Bergers and behind 74.5 grs of H1000 pushes it to 3100.
These Bergers like to be pushed fast almost to the point of disinegration in my rifle.
I have a 34 in Lilja 4 groove barrel.
This could be the reason why they need to be pushed faster in my gun.
One great advantage of the WSM case is no belt and shorter powder column.
One day I will rechamber it to the 7mm Tomahawk (300 Tomahawk necked down) and increase barrel length to 36 inches with a 1:9.5 twist.
I have yet to get to the range for testing of the LRBT 162 gr 7mm bullet, or Sierra's 168 MK or JLK's 168 gr bullet either.
Just my two cents, please all who read lets hear your comments.
Dave
speedbump
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Chris,
Hope all is well with the Tullahoma boys, & glad to hear you're comtemplating coming over to the darkside! (7mm vs. .30) I haven't heard any ACTUAL feedback from 7WSM shooters, although the talk from the 300 WSM shooters is impressive.
Like Dave, the overbore factor is something to consider. I agree on maximum barrel length & s-l-o-w powders. One thing about the Bergers, I talked to Walt Berger at length when I started the 7mm RUM project. He said that the RPMs the RUM would produce at 3,300-3,400 fps with a 1:9" twist might disentigrate the bullets due to the thin J4 jacket. Kreiger tried it with a test barrel & found that to be true - they blew up. That being said, I've heard of NO ONE who has had the problem at the 3,100 fps mark. JLK & Cauterucio are made with thicker & tougher jackets. Whatever you build, try different bullets. I'll send you a few Cauterucio 176s if/when you get something built.
I thought you Tennessee boys were tough - afraid of a teensy weensy little RUM are you??????????
Hope all is well with the Tullahoma boys, & glad to hear you're comtemplating coming over to the darkside! (7mm vs. .30) I haven't heard any ACTUAL feedback from 7WSM shooters, although the talk from the 300 WSM shooters is impressive.
Like Dave, the overbore factor is something to consider. I agree on maximum barrel length & s-l-o-w powders. One thing about the Bergers, I talked to Walt Berger at length when I started the 7mm RUM project. He said that the RPMs the RUM would produce at 3,300-3,400 fps with a 1:9" twist might disentigrate the bullets due to the thin J4 jacket. Kreiger tried it with a test barrel & found that to be true - they blew up. That being said, I've heard of NO ONE who has had the problem at the 3,100 fps mark. JLK & Cauterucio are made with thicker & tougher jackets. Whatever you build, try different bullets. I'll send you a few Cauterucio 176s if/when you get something built.
I thought you Tennessee boys were tough - afraid of a teensy weensy little RUM are you??????????
FatBoy...
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MikeW,
I read this yesterday, but am more inclinded to be using the heavy match bullets. 2950 to 3000 is all I'm looking for here. How have you liked it so far, and have you used any of the heavier SMK's or VLD's yet?
Daveosok,
My barrel will likely be no longer than 30". Actually, 30" is what I plan on. Anything longer and holding it up in a sling for 30 minutes becomes a labor of love,,, and a bit of pain.
SpeedBump,
I can't go so far as to use the RUM. I'm also hopeing to get about 2K rounds from a tube. If I can't get at or just over 2000, I don't see the point in switching from the 6.5x284. If you got the powder measure workin' bring the RUM down on the 24th... We're shooting 20 at 500, 600 and 1000,,, but that would pretty much be it for the barrel huh
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FatBoy...
I read this yesterday, but am more inclinded to be using the heavy match bullets. 2950 to 3000 is all I'm looking for here. How have you liked it so far, and have you used any of the heavier SMK's or VLD's yet?
Daveosok,
My barrel will likely be no longer than 30". Actually, 30" is what I plan on. Anything longer and holding it up in a sling for 30 minutes becomes a labor of love,,, and a bit of pain.
SpeedBump,
I can't go so far as to use the RUM. I'm also hopeing to get about 2K rounds from a tube. If I can't get at or just over 2000, I don't see the point in switching from the 6.5x284. If you got the powder measure workin' bring the RUM down on the 24th... We're shooting 20 at 500, 600 and 1000,,, but that would pretty much be it for the barrel huh
FatBoy...
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daveosok
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Fatboy
You should by all means be able to obtain your velocity requirements, I doubt H1000 will get you their maybe Rutumbo or H870 or possibly wc872.
VVN 165
RL 19, 22, or 25
H4831, H4831 SC
Since you oviously shoot a lot you should have no problems nailing down what your barrel likes.
Now as far as longer barrels go, if you got it heavy fluted and added 2 inches, say .75 at muzzle tapered to within 4 to 5 inches in front of recoil lug/action face, for rechambering purposes a straight 4 to 5 inch section will allow you to get possibly 2 to 3 more chamberings out of the barrel.
Fluting
8 flute design, with four being .375 wide by .375 deep, and the other four being .25 wide by .25 deep, the .375 say start it at 2 inches from crown, and 2 inches from straight part of barrel at action end, the .25 flutes 2 inches from ends of .375 flutes.
Should look nice and drop a lot of weight but still give you enough stifness to lesson barrel harmonics.
I personally like Shilen barrels but since they onyl provide 32 in long barrels I only have one gun built with a Shilen barrel.
I think they are excellent quality and are amongst the top three competetors of benchrest comps so you cant go wrong, Lilja and Douglas would be my second and thrid respectfully.
You should by all means be able to obtain your velocity requirements, I doubt H1000 will get you their maybe Rutumbo or H870 or possibly wc872.
VVN 165
RL 19, 22, or 25
H4831, H4831 SC
Since you oviously shoot a lot you should have no problems nailing down what your barrel likes.
Now as far as longer barrels go, if you got it heavy fluted and added 2 inches, say .75 at muzzle tapered to within 4 to 5 inches in front of recoil lug/action face, for rechambering purposes a straight 4 to 5 inch section will allow you to get possibly 2 to 3 more chamberings out of the barrel.
Fluting
8 flute design, with four being .375 wide by .375 deep, and the other four being .25 wide by .25 deep, the .375 say start it at 2 inches from crown, and 2 inches from straight part of barrel at action end, the .25 flutes 2 inches from ends of .375 flutes.
Should look nice and drop a lot of weight but still give you enough stifness to lesson barrel harmonics.
I personally like Shilen barrels but since they onyl provide 32 in long barrels I only have one gun built with a Shilen barrel.
I think they are excellent quality and are amongst the top three competetors of benchrest comps so you cant go wrong, Lilja and Douglas would be my second and thrid respectfully.
speedbump
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Chris, FWIW:
The RUM's barrel is a 30" Kreiger 1:9" twist in a 'heavy Palma taper.' I thought about the fluting option, but went with the HPT configuration. As Dave mentioned, this does have the first 4-5" untapered to allow for re-sets.
Depending on your twist, don't overlook some of the mid-range bullet weights. The BC vs. velocity tradeoff is pretty close, plus you have less recoil from the sling. I shot several Cauterucio 156s & they worked very well - averaging @ 3.25" at 500 with less recoil & a very similar POI. Something to consider.........
Powders will be more generous with a wissum than a RUM. One of the members here, Gary Veit, is a buddy from Indiana who has done some piddling with several. He might pitch in.......
I'll think about the match on 11/24. That sounds fun. I may even try some new loads from that rifle in F-class - it'd sure give a good look at them. Oh, by the way you comedian... throat erosion is actually proving to be pretty reasonable.
The RUM's barrel is a 30" Kreiger 1:9" twist in a 'heavy Palma taper.' I thought about the fluting option, but went with the HPT configuration. As Dave mentioned, this does have the first 4-5" untapered to allow for re-sets.
Depending on your twist, don't overlook some of the mid-range bullet weights. The BC vs. velocity tradeoff is pretty close, plus you have less recoil from the sling. I shot several Cauterucio 156s & they worked very well - averaging @ 3.25" at 500 with less recoil & a very similar POI. Something to consider.........
Powders will be more generous with a wissum than a RUM. One of the members here, Gary Veit, is a buddy from Indiana who has done some piddling with several. He might pitch in.......
I'll think about the match on 11/24. That sounds fun. I may even try some new loads from that rifle in F-class - it'd sure give a good look at them. Oh, by the way you comedian... throat erosion is actually proving to be pretty reasonable.
Fatboy,
I like it alot.
No I haven't tried the heavier bullets yet,actually I want to try Bob Cauterucio's 157 grain VLD the BC is supposed to be about .680. I haven't had the time to really get out and tune the gun yet,been too busy working.
My barrel finished at 27.5" I wanted to put a 30" barrel on it but I got a really good deal on this barrel and couldn't justify spending the extra $200 it would have cost me. It's a Shilen 1/9 twist.
I like it alot.
No I haven't tried the heavier bullets yet,actually I want to try Bob Cauterucio's 157 grain VLD the BC is supposed to be about .680. I haven't had the time to really get out and tune the gun yet,been too busy working.
My barrel finished at 27.5" I wanted to put a 30" barrel on it but I got a really good deal on this barrel and couldn't justify spending the extra $200 it would have cost me. It's a Shilen 1/9 twist.
FatBoy...
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I was reading yesterday that some of the guys using M70 and M700 actions with the WSM (which is based on the jeffries right?) are having trouble with extractions. From what I read, the barrel doesn't have much metal remaining around the chamber with those fat cases and upon firing the reciever will momentarily swell. The brass will swell to meet the chamber walls and when the pressure bleeds off and the reciever and barrel shrink back down the brass sticks the bolt or gives you VERY hard extraction. It's not suppossed to be as bad with a M700 action, as they have just a bit more meat around them than the M70. Have any of you shooters expierenced this? I don't think it's a problem with custom actions, as they are much heavier at the bridges.
Dave,
That would be one sweet looking barrel. I could go to 32" or maybe even 34" with one like that. Reason I don't flute my 6.5 is they burn out so **** fast shooting comps.. (I might get 850 fom this tube, the lands are already uneven at 617 rounds) that extra $100 for fluting is better spent on the next barrel
If I can get 2000 from a wissum,, I'll flute. I should start buying standard Douglas' barrels and save the money. Two barrels a season is gonna be expensive. Guess it's time to start buying my reamers.
Speedbump,
That mean we might see the CANNON again. If you didn't stake the mat down to the firing line,, you'd take off like you were on a majic carpet each time you touched one of them monsters off
FatBoy...
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Dave,
That would be one sweet looking barrel. I could go to 32" or maybe even 34" with one like that. Reason I don't flute my 6.5 is they burn out so **** fast shooting comps.. (I might get 850 fom this tube, the lands are already uneven at 617 rounds) that extra $100 for fluting is better spent on the next barrel
Speedbump,
That mean we might see the CANNON again. If you didn't stake the mat down to the firing line,, you'd take off like you were on a majic carpet each time you touched one of them monsters off
FatBoy...
[ 11-03-2002: Message edited by: FatBoy... ]
Brent
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Fatboy,
My brother has a 338-378wby in a M700. We've noticed no problems in it and it is even larger than the others. Cases will get tighter only after about 4-5 reloads, most likely because of the belt not being sized, another reason for the beltless case. No problems for the first 3-4 reloads though.
I'm sure this problem would be apparent after the first firing if it were really the fault. It couldn't just be their loads are very hot could it? We've ran loads up to 68,000 psi and only then was bolt lift slightly sticky. BR accuracy was just under 60,000 though, a couple grains under the hot load we had.
My brother or father haven't had any problems with either of their Remingtons chambered in 300WSM.
My brother has a 338-378wby in a M700. We've noticed no problems in it and it is even larger than the others. Cases will get tighter only after about 4-5 reloads, most likely because of the belt not being sized, another reason for the beltless case. No problems for the first 3-4 reloads though.
I'm sure this problem would be apparent after the first firing if it were really the fault. It couldn't just be their loads are very hot could it? We've ran loads up to 68,000 psi and only then was bolt lift slightly sticky. BR accuracy was just under 60,000 though, a couple grains under the hot load we had.
My brother or father haven't had any problems with either of their Remingtons chambered in 300WSM.
Davo
Member
Hey MikeW, what kind of gun is that? and the calibre?
Davo
Davo
Davo
Member
Too bad I can't get one of your 243 WSSMs in Canada. Have you seen the NEW Winchester synthetic 243 WSSm? Cool looking gun.
