7mm rem mag build

Jud96

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Honestly, it’s very hard to have a rifle capable of being compact, suppressor equipped, lightweight, have enough power to successful harvest the biggest of North American game, and do all of that at long range and still able to carry it around on your back. I know you don’t want two rifles, but I really would be looking at a dedicated hunting rifle that will be a standalone weapon. That way it can have a 24”+ barrel, be setup for your suppressor/brake, have a nice scope on it, a comfortable and suitable stock, and be chambered in a magnum cartridge.

If you want to take elk, bear, moose, etc. then I’d want a 7mmRM with a full house load at the minimum. A big .30cal or even a .338 magnum in a 10-12lb rifle would be ideal for a long range big game rifle. Then have a rifle you throw on your back when bow hunting for wolf defense. I’d choose an AR15 with collapsable stock, 16” barrel, suppressed, with a 1-4x optic or a red dot sight. This would be light, handy carbine, offering fast follow up shots, and having 20-30 rounds on tap for a dangerous wolf encounter. A 7mm Rem Mag in a bolt action just doesn’t seem to be as practical for a wolf defense rifle.
 

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Honestly, it’s very hard to have a rifle capable of being compact, suppressor equipped, lightweight, have enough power to successful harvest the biggest of North American game, and do all of that at long range and still able to carry it around on your back. I know you don’t want two rifles, but I really would be looking at a dedicated hunting rifle that will be a standalone weapon. That way it can have a 24”+ barrel, be setup for your suppressor/brake, have a nice scope on it, a comfortable and suitable stock, and be chambered in a magnum cartridge.

If you want to take elk, bear, moose, etc. then I’d want a 7mmRM with a full house load at the minimum. A big .30cal or even a .338 magnum in a 10-12lb rifle would be ideal for a long range big game rifle. Then have a rifle you throw on your back when bow hunting for wolf defense. I’d choose an AR15 with collapsable stock, 16” barrel, suppressed, with a 1-4x optic or a red dot sight. This would be light, handy carbine, offering fast follow up shots, and having 20-30 rounds on tap for a dangerous wolf encounter. A 7mm Rem Mag in a bolt action just doesn’t seem to be as practical for a wolf defense rifle.


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Ingwe

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Thanks all for the replies!
Couple of thoughts. I want one gun. Yes I want it to be a gun capable of shooting an elk or bear down range, even going north of the border to hunt big game. And if I see a(nother) wolf inside of this zipcode..

Don't want a 308, don't "need" a 300wm. Want more than a 6.5C. Considered a 7saum or 28N, but I have zero desire to reload. Factory ammo for me, so I want options.

My bigger "wants" are a 20" or so barrel so I don't have a pole vault gun with my suppressor. Q Trash Panda to be exact. And a barrel that can be cut and threaded by my local gunsmith for the suppressor. Next would be a folding stock, although that isn't a must, just a want. It will add a little weight, I know. The XLR mag chassis is 2.5lbs-ish total.

I hear varying opinions on the 7mmRM, but most people (gunsmiths and builders) I have talked to seem to think that with the options out there in 168gn plus ammo, I am well ahead of most other caliber options for my wants, even with a few fps loss with a 20" barrel. A short action would be nice such as a 6.5PRC, but only if it has readily available factory ammo that outperforms a 7mmRM for what I want. Other thoughts? Admittedly, I know very little about 7wsm and 7rsaum, but I am not sure I gain anything with those. Otherwise, it's just another option to give me another headache.

I am absolutely NOT married to the Bergara. I have just heard reasonable things about their premier actions and barrels, and that's all I needed. My local gunsmith(s) absolutely will not consider threading a tiika lite barrel or similar, so stock rifles in that category don't get me my #1 want. As was stated by someone else, they are wanting a .700 barrel to put 5/8 threads on it. And while I can argue with that, it's their business and equipment (so I can't argue with that).

So in reading the help you all have given me, it sounds like a better option may be the 7mmRM with a carbon prethreaded 20" barrel, and the origin or tenacity action with a good trigger with the xlr chassis. Likely a fair amount lighter than my original plan, and a nicer gun? Not too expensive, either. At least not compared to my original plan.

Any other suggestions, or things I am missing??

And for the poster that mentioned getting good glass...couldn't agree more.

thanks again, All.

I think that what you are missing, and a few guys here are trying to tell you, is that you are asking ALLOT from one rifle. You are essentially looking for a short and light backpack-sized rifle that you can also take "North of the border to hunt big game" and "Shoot Elk and Bear downrange." That's a tall order for one rifle. You also keep mentioning the 7MMRemMag which is a BAD CHOICE to pair with a 20" barrel......you are going to lose WAY MORE than, as you said, "A few FPS." From a standard 26" to a 20" barrel it will be more like 200fps plus, with a HUGE fireball of un-burnt powder coming out of your muzzle.

I think that you have to make a decision on what you will mostly do with the rifle and gear your choice based on that....compromising will leave you unhappy in either scenario.

PS: maybe for your bowhunting with chance encounter with a Wolf, you might be better served with a handgun?? Then buy a rifle built to your specifications for big game/long range shooting??

My 2 cents anyway, good luck!
 

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Honestly, it’s very hard to have a rifle capable of being compact, suppressor equipped, lightweight, have enough power to successful harvest the biggest of North American game, and do all of that at long range and still able to carry it around on your back. I know you don’t want two rifles, but I really would be looking at a dedicated hunting rifle that will be a standalone weapon. That way it can have a 24”+ barrel, be setup for your suppressor/brake, have a nice scope on it, a comfortable and suitable stock, and be chambered in a magnum cartridge.

If you want to take elk, bear, moose, etc. then I’d want a 7mmRM with a full house load at the minimum. A big .30cal or even a .338 magnum in a 10-12lb rifle would be ideal for a long range big game rifle. Then have a rifle you throw on your back when bow hunting for wolf defense. I’d choose an AR15 with collapsable stock, 16” barrel, suppressed, with a 1-4x optic or a red dot sight. This would be light, handy carbine, offering fast follow up shots, and having 20-30 rounds on tap for a dangerous wolf encounter. A 7mm Rem Mag in a bolt action just doesn’t seem to be as practical for a wolf defense rifle.

Judd, looks like you and I were typing at the same time....

Exactly my thoughts;)
 

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The best and worst part of this rifle building ordeal is everyone sets out for th “do it all rifle” we get that gun and we love it. Then we build another and we love it. Then we build another and love it. Before long you have several fully custom rifles. This one is 8 lbs scoped and I use it for X. This one is 10 lbs I use it for Y. This one is 15lbs and I use it to shoot T Rex at 2000 yards. just realize that is the rabbit hole we all go down..
 

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What fun would it be to have a "ONE DO IT ALL RIFLE", really? only one rifle? Oh no, not for me ;).

At least, and I mean the minimum would be two rifles to play with.

If you go 20", as mentioned above you make the magnun a non magnum. For me 26" is the eminimum for long range shooting and hunting, would I take a 24"? Maybe and depends on the circumstance, still prefer a 26".

Just my $0.02
 

jareese

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You also keep mentioning the 7MMRemMag which is a BAD CHOICE to pair with a 20" barrel......you are going to lose WAY MORE than, as you said, "A few FPS." From a standard 26" to a 20" barrel it will be more like 200fps plus, with a HUGE fireball of un-burnt powder coming out of your muzzle.
I will chime in also and state that most suppressor manufacturers I’ve researched, have length limits on barrels for the magnum rounds due to pressure.
 

Hanman42

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Thanks all for the replies!
Couple of thoughts. I want one gun. Yes I want it to be a gun capable of shooting an elk or bear down range, even going north of the border to hunt big game. And if I see a(nother) wolf inside of this zipcode..

Don't want a 308, don't "need" a 300wm. Want more than a 6.5C. Considered a 7saum or 28N, but I have zero desire to reload. Factory ammo for me, so I want options.

My bigger "wants" are a 20" or so barrel so I don't have a pole vault gun with my suppressor. Q Trash Panda to be exact. And a barrel that can be cut and threaded by my local gunsmith for the suppressor. Next would be a folding stock, although that isn't a must, just a want. It will add a little weight, I know. The XLR mag chassis is 2.5lbs-ish total.

I hear varying opinions on the 7mmRM, but most people (gunsmiths and builders) I have talked to seem to think that with the options out there in 168gn plus ammo, I am well ahead of most other caliber options for my wants, even with a few fps loss with a 20" barrel. A short action would be nice such as a 6.5PRC, but only if it has readily available factory ammo that outperforms a 7mmRM for what I want. Other thoughts? Admittedly, I know very little about 7wsm and 7rsaum, but I am not sure I gain anything with those. Otherwise, it's just another option to give me another headache.

I am absolutely NOT married to the Bergara. I have just heard reasonable things about their premier actions and barrels, and that's all I needed. My local gunsmith(s) absolutely will not consider threading a tiika lite barrel or similar, so stock rifles in that category don't get me my #1 want. As was stated by someone else, they are wanting a .700 barrel to put 5/8 threads on it. And while I can argue with that, it's their business and equipment (so I can't argue with that).

So in reading the help you all have given me, it sounds like a better option may be the 7mmRM with a carbon prethreaded 20" barrel, and the origin or tenacity action with a good trigger with the xlr chassis. Likely a fair amount lighter than my original plan, and a nicer gun? Not too expensive, either. At least not compared to my original plan.

Any other suggestions, or things I am missing??

And for the poster that mentioned getting good glass...couldn't agree more.

thanks again, All.
Good morning,
In regards to wanting a new gun. I just purchased a Weatherby Terramark 6.5-300. A "wicked fast 300 WBY magnum" they say. My end state is western hunting for mule deer and elk, i.e. long range hunting. I outfitted it with Leupold's Mark V HD 3.5-18 scope. I haven't shot it yet, but, I plan on burning my sick days on it. Research the caliber and good luck.
 

Mike Matteson

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I find that interesting. In most states you can't carry a rifle during bow season. A pistol is ok in some states. For personal protection on the Mexico border or for Bears in some of the northern states like Montana. Also during rifle season most states requires Hunter's Orange. You probable need to do some more thinking about what you trying to do. I seen some good suggestion as to a rifle. I would check with the states you planning to hunt in regards to reg about carrying a rifle during bow hunting season. If I read you correctly.
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Mike
 

jkwright

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For what you want (light weight, folding stock, short barrel, suppressor ready) the Sig Cross seams like the best answer. Its not out yet and isnt available in traditional magnums but if their 277 fury round will do what they say it seems like the best answer for what you are trying to do.
 

Rich Coyle

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The other day my son-n-law fired three shots from his .223 with a suppressor installed. The barrel was still cool but the Thunder Beast Nine was too hot to touch. The 7mag holds about three times as much powder. Lots of it would be burned in the can generating way more heat per shot than a .223. A smaller cartridge is going to make you a lot happier.
 
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