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6mm vs .22”
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<blockquote data-quote="MagnumManiac" data-source="post: 2258394" data-attributes="member: 10755"><p>[USER=109862]@Calvin45[/USER],</p><p>I agree, in the hands of a careful shot, with the right bullet, what you say is true.</p><p>It's when an animal takes a step, flinches because a fly annoyed it or just Murphy happens along when I feel uneasy about it, as I said, have seen it too many times. We have calibre restrictions on our deer here. 6mm is minimum on a few species and it was debated for 2 years with hunting groups/clubs before the final decision was made. The 22 centrefires were dismissed almost before the discussion started, the hottest topic was whether to have 6mm as a minimum for Fallow deer, it had already been approved as minimum for our Hog deer early in the discussion, after 2 years and lobbying from a deer stalking group it was allowed as minimum. There are still deer shot every year that are wounded by this calibre, hence my trepidation in it's use, as I and many others were involved in those debates and felt strongly that 25 or even 26 should be the minimum, but it didn't go that way. For all other deer species here, 270 is minimum and every group and club agreed to that in the first week of discussion.</p><p>I have no qualms stepping up to 25 cal, a 110/115/120g bullet of tough construction take down NZ elk without issue. Out of my 25-06's have taken them with Speer 120g Grand Slams, Nosler 110g Accubonds and Nosler 115g Partitions. Have also seen them taken with 6mm's, most notably a 240 Weatherby with 100g Partitions shot in the crease behind the shoulder, the elk was dead on it's feet, it just didn't know it yet and mirrors my own experience with the 25-06 and 115g Partitions. The guide fired another shot for reassurance just as I did the day before. My guide was shooting his own animal for the freezer.</p><p>As to women shooters not taking recoil, I have seen many ladies shooting big bores as if they were a 22….their slim bodies just roll with the recoil instead of us big burly blokes adsorbing it all before we can rock with it.</p><p>Anyway, I am sure many feel the 6mm is adequate, I'm just not convinced 100% when things go bad.</p><p>And no, I don't believe deer or elk are bullet proof or made of Kevlar skin.</p><p></p><p>Cheers.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MagnumManiac, post: 2258394, member: 10755"] [USER=109862]@Calvin45[/USER], I agree, in the hands of a careful shot, with the right bullet, what you say is true. It’s when an animal takes a step, flinches because a fly annoyed it or just Murphy happens along when I feel uneasy about it, as I said, have seen it too many times. We have calibre restrictions on our deer here. 6mm is minimum on a few species and it was debated for 2 years with hunting groups/clubs before the final decision was made. The 22 centrefires were dismissed almost before the discussion started, the hottest topic was whether to have 6mm as a minimum for Fallow deer, it had already been approved as minimum for our Hog deer early in the discussion, after 2 years and lobbying from a deer stalking group it was allowed as minimum. There are still deer shot every year that are wounded by this calibre, hence my trepidation in it’s use, as I and many others were involved in those debates and felt strongly that 25 or even 26 should be the minimum, but it didn’t go that way. For all other deer species here, 270 is minimum and every group and club agreed to that in the first week of discussion. I have no qualms stepping up to 25 cal, a 110/115/120g bullet of tough construction take down NZ elk without issue. Out of my 25-06’s have taken them with Speer 120g Grand Slams, Nosler 110g Accubonds and Nosler 115g Partitions. Have also seen them taken with 6mm’s, most notably a 240 Weatherby with 100g Partitions shot in the crease behind the shoulder, the elk was dead on it’s feet, it just didn’t know it yet and mirrors my own experience with the 25-06 and 115g Partitions. The guide fired another shot for reassurance just as I did the day before. My guide was shooting his own animal for the freezer. As to women shooters not taking recoil, I have seen many ladies shooting big bores as if they were a 22….their slim bodies just roll with the recoil instead of us big burly blokes adsorbing it all before we can rock with it. Anyway, I am sure many feel the 6mm is adequate, I’m just not convinced 100% when things go bad. And no, I don’t believe deer or elk are bullet proof or made of Kevlar skin. Cheers. [/QUOTE]
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