6.5x55 se twist rate

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hello.
I want to buy a bergara b14 sporter in 6.5x55 se caliber.
comes with twist rate 1: 8.66 and 24" barrel.
Do you think this twist rate is good for 140gr bullets with heavy loads?
loads over 2850fps

regards
 
hello.
I want to buy a bergara b14 sporter in 6.5x55 se caliber.
comes with twist rate 1: 8.66 and 24" barrel.
Do you think this twist rate is good for 140gr bullets with heavy loads?
loads over 2850fps

regards

"Heavy loads" don't affect this equation at all. Will a 1:8.66 twist work with 140 grain bullets? Depends on the bullet. Bullet length, more than bullet weight, is what determines the twist rate needed for full stability and full bc. If you plan to shoot 140 grain Nosler Partitions, a 9 twist is adequate and your 8.66 twist will do just fine.

I have a .264 WM and a 6.5x55, both with 9 twist. Both rifles shoot Berger 140 VLD's very accurately. However, they are not fully stabilized, which reduces the effective bc and takes away some of the advantage of shooting VLD's. Just as in my rifles, the 8.66 twist will likely shoot well with the more streamlined 140's, but it will do so with a degraded bc.

Keep in mind that better 6.5 bullets continue to be released. The Berger 140 Hybrid seems to require a bit more twist than the VLD. Hornady has a 143 ELD-X and a 147 ELD-M in production. Berger has plans to release a 155 Elite Hunter Hybrid in the near future.

A 9 twist, or an 8.66 twist, will work with a lot of very good 6.5mm bullets, but an 8 twist, or faster, is a better option that is likely to work with a much wider range of bullets.
 
thank you very much for your clarifications.
the bergara b14 sporter in caliber 6.5x55 is only manufactured with twist rate 1: 8.66 with 24" barrell.
the b14 sporter in 6.5 creedmoor is manufactured with twist rate 1: 8 but only with a 22" barrel
I think that in 6.5x55 you can get more speed with bullets of 140gr.
or can the creedmoor have the same performance as the 6.5x55?.
 
I like the Swede but it always seems to be down loaded in our manuals. Even in the ones with heavy loads it seems to gain nothing over the smaller cased 6.5's. The Swede case actually holds more water then the 308 case. It should then give better performance then the 260 but does not. Just something that has bugged me for awhile I don't want to down play the Swede.
 
I like the Swede but it always seems to be down loaded in our manuals. Even in the ones with heavy loads it seems to gain nothing over the smaller cased 6.5's. The Swede case actually holds more water then the 308 case. It should then give better performance then the 260 but does not. Just something that has bugged me for awhile I don't want to down play the Swede.

Using book data, which emasculates the Swede, you are correct. In practice, however, the Swede can, and does, outperform the short action 6.5's if loaded to the same pressure level. The Swede's extra capacity allows it to better utilize slower burning powders, which are capable of generating higher velocity.

In order to reach that level, the Swede has to be treated like a wildcat cartridge, generating data independently. Many shooters are not comfortable using anything but published data. For shooters who intend to stick with factory ammo or published data, cartridges like the Creedmoor are a better option.
 
The charges shown in the manuals are for old rifles.
Today it can be charged with higher pressures on modern rifles.
In vihtavuori reloading tables appear for the 6.5x55 skan,
are higher loads for rifles with modern actions.

I only had a couple of years recharging and I have to learn many things yet
 
For BC its math if you keep environmental at standard.

I have a ton of respect for George Gardner and his team. But everyone has their specialty. But I will error on the side of the specialist in the field of expertise. GAP rifles bullets Berger and AB testing. More twist unless extreme has no practical negative.

Maybe I am mistaken but as far as I can tell the cartridge design itself is entirely irrelevant to needed barrel twist rate outside of its average velocity for a given bullet and that really has far less effect than air density changes. Does not matter if its a 6.5 WSM, RSAUM, SS, TSS, S, 6.5/06 etc...... If they are all driving them the same basic vel then they will all use the same basic twist rate. For most all the 6.5s you see the 1:8 is standard for the longer high bullets. Especially if its for shooting into critters at longer ranges there seems to be a mounting pile of anecdotal evidence that more spin gives better terminal ballistic effects.

Do not forget the effect temperature has on air density as its much like elevation. The colder the air temp the denser the air the more twist you need to achieve the same stability factor.

Say you have caliber and bullet that has stability factor 1.3 @ 8.6 twist rate @ temp of 100 degree air temp. In the winter at the same elevation with temps in the high 20s low 30s you would need a full extra inch twist to achieve the same stability factor.

If you go for the optimal stability factor in the METRO/ICAO/standard atmosphere which say would be 1.5 at standard 59f temp sea level 29.92 hg density basically shooting in most every extreme of weather regardless of elevation is going to ensure that bullet will always be stable and in most conditions will give its maximum BC as well. Basically you want your twist rate to ensure stability for the highest air density you will ever find yourself shooting that combo in. That would be the lowest altitude coldest temp.

Lija has a article he us to have up on his site or maybe still does that talks about the relationship..

Edited to add: Here it is: http://riflebarrels.com/effects-of-altitude-and-temperature-on-rifling-twist/

I agree 100% with the last sentence of the last paragraph:

"As can be seen though, it is safer to be conservative when it comes to twist, and err towards the faster rate."


Depending where you live or shoot at that 8.6 may have all the twist you need to stabilize any of the 140s to 1.5 especially if you do not shoot in the winter but are at higher elevation there maybe nothing to worry about.
 
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Did want to add, that all other things being equal, weight alone of the bullet does effect stability and BC even with the offset of vel. Hypothetically if you took a formed bullet jacket of the same dimensions and filled one with copper, another with lead, and the last with tugnsten you would need the most twist rate to stabilize the copper to 1.5 and a slower twist for the lead and even slower twist yet for the highly dense and thus significantly heavier tungsten core.

Tungsten is 1.7? denser than lead which is 1.3ish?? to copper. Forget the jacket weight but take whatever vld/hybrid shape bullet in lead say 6.5 140 hybrid as its the discussion point: (pretending there is no jacket weight) (tungsten only added to show an extreme but still doable possibility)

Copper: 107gr
Lead: 140gr.
Tungsten: 238gr.

Plug that into a very basic stability calculator of JBM which does not account for shift in mass and actually bullet shape changes (as they are all the same design is not a real factor).

As the subject is 6.5 Berger EOL 140gr which is 1.403 OAL and the 8.6 barrel we can go with that.

Caliber: .260/6.5mm
Length 1.5"
Vel 3000fps
Twist rate: 8.6
Bullet weights:

107 gr: 1.019 (Increasing vel to 3300fps increased stability factor to: 1.052)
140 gr: 1.334
238 gr: 2.267 (decreasing vel to 2500fps decreased stability factor to: 2.133)

BTW changing the twist rate to 8.0 @ 3K fps gave a stability factor of: 1.541

Seems like those numbers are pretty spot on for the most part. 8.6 to 8.0= 1.334 to 1.541 @ standard enviormentals. So while a real EOL 140 looks like it will stablize in those conditions the same bullet in copper would not even driven to its higher vel.
 
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140 sierra gameking , rl 22 , bingo, that bullet will be plenty stable in your rig, buy good brass ( lapua) and 9 1/2 primers work em up and wow.
 
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It's bullet weight AND bearing length of the bullet on the rifling that both determine twist rate. Heavier bullets generally like a bit faster twist rate.

Eric B.
 
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