6.5 Caliber 140 gr. too lite for Elk ?

Discussion in 'Rifles, Bullets, Barrels & Ballistics' started by Doug Herold, Oct 20, 2019.

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  1. GSP814

    GSP814 Well-Known Member

    Oct 23, 2015
    Great bull, congrats to your son. I just shot a 5x5 raghorn in Wyoming with a 6.5 GAP (Len's Mountain Rifle) with Copper Creeks 156 grain Berger. DRT at 250 yards, made a mess of the front shoulder (complete pass thru). I got 2850 fps as an average speed off a LabRadar and the barrel isn't fully broken in. This ammo shoots sub 1/2" at 100 yards. I get the same results with the 140 VLD, I just wanted a heavier bullet.
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  2. RYEWSKY25284

    RYEWSKY25284 Well-Known Member

    Jan 23, 2014
    Congrats..Very nice Bull. Gotta be proud of that one. And helpful info on bullet perf.
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  3. ajkellerusmc

    ajkellerusmc Well-Known Member

    Jan 15, 2019
    Great Bull and great shooting. As with all one shot kills bullet placement and angle of the shot is critical. Most average hunters would have lost that bull at that range with any cartridge so great shooting!
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  4. wonderman4

    wonderman4 Well-Known Member

    Oct 7, 2013
    A friend got 6 Elk in 8 years using his M70 Westerner 264 Win Mag and the 140 grn bullets.

    One guide made comment to him that very few one shot kills were witnessed by him and he was impressed by the 264 Win Mag.

    All this was in the 70s and early 80s.
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  5. John Polk

    John Polk Well-Known Member

    Mar 13, 2019
    The 140 gr. .264 bullet was the heaviest factory load for the .264 Win. Mag. for years. Many a good size animal surcomed to it.
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  6. bigngreen

    bigngreen Well-Known Member

    Nov 24, 2008
    I've killed a pile of elk both bulls and cows between 800 and 900 yards from an 6.5 SS, same results as 3, 4, 5 and 600 yards, dead within a few steps.
  7. flylo

    flylo Well-Known Member

    Dec 29, 2013
    IMHO You can't just say 6.5 as there are several levels of velocity & energy in the different 6.5 calibers. It's like all the various sizes of V8 engines. A 6.5 Creedmoor & a 6.5-300 Weatherby are quite different in power.
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    JONFIVE Member

    Mar 10, 2019
    Congrats to your son on a great bull
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    AJPERALTA Member

    Apr 25, 2018
    Nice bull. We're going to run a 140 Accubond out of my 6.5 SAUM for my sons late bull hunt here in Az.
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  10. cacsrx1

    cacsrx1 Well-Known Member

    Nov 4, 2011
    Exactly... 6.5-300 WBY at 450yds is equal to a 6.5 Creed at the muzzle.
  11. Randy Gillette

    Randy Gillette New Member

    Dec 31, 2018
    Awesome Bull Congrats,
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  12. Doug Herold

    Doug Herold Well-Known Member

    Sep 14, 2017
    I want to thank all of you for responding to my post. Enjoyed reading all of them. Since there has been so much interest, I’ll go ahead and give you the “rest “ of the story and also try to respond to some of the questions which were raised; as well as “try” to post the picture of the bull they were looking at at 1770 yds.
    Here goes:
    Actually two bulls were shot about the same time. The first bull was shot with another 6.5 Gap, however it had a can on it. I’ll post the pic. This was the herd bull and my son’s friend had first shot. Because the rifle’s report was so muted, the second bull was not alarmed so as the boys were back slapping, the BIG bull walked out of the timber. Bull #1 was at @ 660yds. Bull #2 @ 578. All the while this was going on, they were watching an supposedly BIGGER bull through my spotting scope bedded at 1770 yds. (which I will attempt to post — pic is fuzzy due to 60 pwr and distance). The boys were shooting from up on a cliff, so they had to take the horses around the side of the mtn and down to the bottom to the two elk. By the time they had them gutted and were back in spike camp it was 3 am. per text on InReach. It took all of the nxt day to get the two elk worked up and back to camp. It was certainly a hunt they will cherish in their memories forever. The big elk weighed @ 1000 pounds. The exact location of their hunt is somewhere just North of Trinidad.... Just kidding !!! .... and yes, you guys are exactly correct about ballistics and science.

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  13. PBR driver

    PBR driver Well-Known Member

    Oct 14, 2009
    Thought the idea was "hunting" not just shooting.
    If you were 1200 yards, how much closer could you have gotten?
    No flame intended just wondering.
    The rules of Fair Chase says and animal must have an escape route.
    How close could you have gotten if you were truly hunting using wood craft and all.
    Just throwing that out for thought.
    My record book bull was taken at 35 yards, my book pronghorn was taken at 50 yards.
    I personally love trying to get close, sometimes I get busted, sometimes they get busted.
    Everytime I get busted I learn a lot more than when I kill.
    1200 with a .260 seems like a long poke, if it were me I would figure that is maybe 1150 yards I could maybe cover to get in real close.
    I can shoot at long range but I for myself only choose not to as the rush of going in mano y mano is for me to great to tempt a low percentage shot at least for me, I am human after all. :)
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  14. Country Bumpkin

    Country Bumpkin Well-Known Member

    Sep 22, 2015
    Although I lean towards being in your court (I’d rather archery hunt), this is “Long Range Hunting”, probably not the best place to take that kind of stance. Let’s stick together as hunters and just be happy that it all worked out for them.

    I have to assume that someone that can execute a shot at that distance on such a hearty animal has likely spent as much time honing his shooting abilities as I have my woodcraft/stalking skills.