You can load the 10mm pretty hot as well. When it comes to penetration, bullet construction is as important if not more so than anything else. A solid copper 22LR will get deeper than a 45 with super wide hollow points, or a frangible.Early on in this thread I believe I addressed "energy levels" so not going to retype everything.
Anyone who starts quoting velocity, bullet weights, and energy numbers, without looking at penetration is missing the most important part of the equation.
Further, looking at mild hp ammo as a data point is a mute point.
The acp can be loaded to near 45 Super levels. The 45 Super is nipping the heels of the Rowland. In factory ammo the 10mm hard cast is a good choice, but has recieved negative comments out of factory Glock barrels.
Bottom line to me is someone can make a 45acp with the correct ammo choice a viable defensive tool.
If you're willing to learn a bit, and make the needed mods, you can make a 45acp into a 45 Super shooting ammo that exceeds the 10mm.
It's good to share this info so more people can be better armed with both knowledge and proper sidearms..
Isn't Koenig the guy that keeps winning the real scenarios like clearing a house?
There are limits …..even for JM! I suspect that 700’s pushed hard ……May have some “snap” to them!I agree especially about spitballs. I've got one of the earlier 460s. I've recoiled 3 front sights off, they are held by spring pressure and it had to go back to be repaired. Tech called me and asked "What in the hell do you shoot in this thing". I told him not too bad, just a little warm. I put a very small bead of gorilla glue around the front sight and no problems. I think they are attaching them differently. By they way, if the muzzle brake screw loosens it will fire the brake too. There's a guy in AK. That hard casts up to 750 gr. ?? lead bullets for the 500. With a 4" they are a real handful. I'd love to see J.M. fire 5 of those. Recoil ended with my arms over my head. "Loads of fun!!!!!"
Cor-Bon used to load up their 460 S&W Mag with 200 grain Barnes @ 2,300 fps and 2,300 ft lbs energy. It was stuff that workD. Gander Mtn used to take ammo that was a couple years old, off the shelves, put it in shopping cart, markD down to 1/2 regular price. It was as cheap as reloads.
Barnes on those .451 cal XPB's, they got 200gr, 225gr, 250gr, 275gr they all got that hollow point, so who knows, why no 300gr. in that type bullet. They like to sell that X number of FPS logic,can see the merits.That’s some fast stepp’n loads! Even with a Barnes mono, I don’t think that I’d want to go lighter than 300 grains in a ,45 for hunting purposes…..well, at least larger big game! memtb
Barnes on those .451 cal XPB's, they got 200gr, 225gr, 250gr, 275gr they all got that hollow point, so who knows, why no 300gr. in that type bullet. They like to sell that X number of FPS logic,can see the merits.