.338 Win Mag accuracy...

Discussion in 'Rifles, Bullets, Barrels & Ballistics' started by Wapi-T, Nov 20, 2001.

  1. Wapi-T

    Wapi-T Active Member

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    Hey, Fellas.

    I own a newer Remington 700 in .338 Win Mag. To be frank, its accuracy sucks. I love the cartridge, and would consider having the rifle accurized (if someone could guarantee me sub MOA groups.) Any thoughts? The rifle is equipped with an HS-Precision stock and a nice Leupold scope. I would like to keep it around, but 3" groups don't cut it for me.
     
  2. Dave King

    Dave King Well-Known Member

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    What bullets are you shooting or which one's have you tried.

    Is the receiver torqued into the bedding or just screwed in?

    Lastly, some H-S stocks are a little bit off-side, is the barrel touching anyplace on the stock?
     
  3. Warren Jensen

    Warren Jensen Well-Known Member

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    Wapi-T,

    There is nothing wrong with the cartridge. It is capable of fine hunting accuracy. I once shot a .980" five shot group at 500 yds. with an accurized hunting rifle in that caliber.

    3" groups means your rifle either has one major problem or, more likely, a number of smaller problems. Dave is right, you need to check all the basics, screws tight, barrel not binding, scope mounts, etc. If this does not solve the problem, then take it, or send it, to someone with experience in "accurizing". You should know going in that there are definitely the occasional "dogs" that just won't ever shoot well.
     
  4. Wapi-T

    Wapi-T Active Member

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    Thanks for the replies.

    The action is torqued properly into the stock. The accuracy problem was present both with the factory synthetic stock and the HS stock. The barrel appears to be aligned perfectly in the stock with no barrel-to-stock contact.

    I have used at least 12 different varieties of factory ammo, ranging from 200 grain ballistic tips up to 250 grain partitions. The 250 grain loads have been the least accurate on average, the 225 grain loads have been more accurate, but still unacceptable, and the 200 grain load yielded 1.5" groups. Problem is, I don't want to use 200 grain ballistic tips for hunting.

    If I were to take the gun in to have it accurized, what should I look to have done? The trigger has already been adjusted to 3 lbs, the stock should be good enough (right?), what should I have the gunsmith look at doing first?
     
  5. jhendri2

    jhendri2 Well-Known Member

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    The first thing I would do, would be to bed the rifle to the stock (contrary to popular belief H-S Precision stocks can benefit from bedding) and have the barrel recrowned, if that didn't work I would have the lugs lapped and the action trued, and if that didn't work I would have the chamber recut. Then if all this fails put a new barrel on it.

    Some companies will guarrantee to cut the group size in half (Hill Country Rifles) with an accurizing job, but your rifle may not need to have everything done to get the performance you want.

    I know 338 Win Mags will shoot. I have a Magnum Research Mountain Eagle, which is a Sako action (reshaped to accept Remington bases and rings), a Krieger Barrel (action trued by Krieger also) in an H-S Precision stock. It will consistantly shoot .75 MOA, with 250 grain bullets (it has turned in some outstanding groups well below .5). So the round has a propensity for accuracy and would be a very good Elk round. Normally, they are not very finicky either.

    My two cents anyway, hope this helps.

    Jim
     
  6. Guest

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    Hi,
    Something else that may be causing your problem is a few years back, Remington sold quite a few rifles where the chamber was not square with the bore. I don't know how you could check for that with out taking it to a gun smith.
    My experence with a Remington was a Sendero in 25-06. It didn't want to shoot groups smaller than 2". I "repaired" that one by replacing it with a Savage BVSS in the same caliber that shoots .75".

    You have my simpathy.
    Good shooting.
    C'ya. John.

    [ 11-22-2001: Message edited by: Wyojeepeer ]
     
  7. GilaMonster

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    The 338 Win. Mag can be quite accurate. I have a Savage 111FL in that cal. I use a load of 77.5g Reloader 22 behind a 225g Nosler Partition and my groups average .68 MOA. I bedded the recoil lug area and had a Mag-na-brake installed by mag-na-port. Those were the only modifications that I made to the original rifle. My chronograph shows the loads to average 2992 fps with a SD of 18 fps. That's right a 3,000 fps 225g 338 cartridge. Works great.
     
  8. kidcoltoutlaw

    kidcoltoutlaw Well-Known Member

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    bedding can be a major problem.try the sierra accuracy loads for the 250 sbt they shoot great.in most guns the long heavy bullets shoot the best.are you trying 160 grains they may not shoot never tried them.do you know the trick where you turn the action screws and hold your fingers to see if the action rocks in its bed.after market stocks can suck if not bedded right even if they say they dont need it, thanks,keith
     
  9. Wapi-T

    Wapi-T Active Member

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    Update!

    Well, I took some advice from the board, and here's what happened:

    Background- shortly after I bought the rifle, I had a muzzle brake installed. I decided to have it removed, the action glass-bedded, and the crown re-cut.

    Turns out the "gunsmith" who installed the muzzle brake in the first place rolled the crown! No wonder the accuracy was poor! I took it to a different 'smith this time. The rifle was taken to the range on Saturday with its new bedding job and recessed target crown, and the results were surprising.

    I turned in all sub-MOA groups with factory ammo, including one .65" group with Federal Premium HE 250 GR partitions. What a difference!

    Thanks for the input and advice.
     
  10. kidcoltoutlaw

    kidcoltoutlaw Well-Known Member

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    love the .338 mag's have 2 they shoot great.i have also shot a 250 sierra sbt at 2800 from a 24 inch barrel not to bad and a 275 at 2600.the worst load i ever found for the 275 only shot 6 inches at 300 yards the best under 2 inches,thanks,keith
     
  11. Guest

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    Wapi-T,
    I was going to ad a suggestion before you had it fixed but now I see that you have it shooting just fine.
    I learned something one time that one should think about before going to do a lot work on a rifle. Replace the scope first with a different one and shoot the rifle again. Here's why; a friend of mine had a Win. 300 mag that was glass bedded and barrel floated and the thing still shot 3" groups, I told him to replace the Leupold scope with a different one and try it. Presto! That was the problem, bad scope.
     
  12. DANTEC

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    swicht the scope is perhaps the way but not sure that Leupold will be guilty !

    338 Win is accurate , slow with heavy bullet but accurate .

    big problem on the Rem rifle is the recoil lug aera receiver face is not square recoil lug is not flat and more often you have contact on one lug only , on small caliber forces in receiver during firing is less than in big caliber 338 WIN or new 300 ULTRA

    all the big caliber I have shoot in new Remington group less than Remington in less powerfull chambering but after squaring th e receiver put a strong flat recoil lug from Holland and get lugs contact with correct headspace accuracy come back at a good level .

    I think that with time quality became fair on most factory rifle , money saving is the world now accuracy is the past .

    good shooting

    DAN TEC