308 Winchester, 168 Hybrids, 26", how far?

[WEATHERBY460]

308 Win with a 26" barrel, shooting 168 Bergers Hybrids, how far should this shoot accurately?

Thanks

 

[emn83]

600 yards for sure, for accuracy,

 

[HarryN]

This is not meant as a criticism, but really is just a question:

If you are going to put all that work and a 26 inch barrel on a gun, why not just use a 30-06 instead of a 308 win ? Maybe I am just old fashion, but it seems like the main advantage of the short action rounds easier bulk transport of ammo. After that, the long action rounds seem like better performers.

What am I missing ?

 

[gohring3006]

I am am a 3006 shooter with no experience with 168 hybrids but I think you can get them to 1000 I have shot 168 smks that far but my buddies have 308s and the smks keyholed at 1000 so I think that those hybrids would do better than smks the only option is to devlope a accurate load and test it.

 

[gohring3006]

This is not meant as a criticism, but really is just a question:

If you are going to put all that work and a 26 inch barrel on a gun, why not just use a 30-06 instead of a 308 win ? Maybe I am just old fashion, but it seems like the main advantage of the short action rounds easier bulk transport of ammo. After that, the long action rounds seem like better performers.

What am I missing ?

the 308 is a great round for long range shooting its been proven over and over 26 in barrel will give you no excuses on velocity yea it doesn't need 26in but if you got it than shoot it why not.

 

[HarryN]

the 308 is a great round for long range shooting its been proven over and over 26 in barrel will give you no excuses on velocity yea it doesn't need 26in but if you got it than shoot it why not.

Thanks, what I meant actually is that my perception from reading is that under similar loading pressures, barrel length, and bullet choice, the 30-06 will give you an extra 100 FPS over a 308.

All this, at similar recoil, less than 1 inch longer overall length, and similar cost for both rifle and rounds.

100 FPS gain might not seem like much, but 1 000 yards is a long shot, at least to me.

I am not criticizing the 308 win, and yes it is proven, I am just curious if there is any other advantage over the 30-06 other than the logistics of carrying longer bullets. Of course I am assuming that a setup for 1 000 yard shots is a bolt action.

 

[Canadian Bushman]

308 Win with a 26" barrel, shooting 168 Bergers Hybrids, how far should this shoot accurately?

Thanks

I was good to about 6-7 hundred with the 168's. I took them further but it got significantly more difficult around 800+

 

[Deleted member 46119]

I was good to about 6-7 hundred with the 168's. I took them further but it got significantly more difficult around 800+

Umm, well 800+ is significantly more difficult for anything.

Got a guy at one of the LR ranges that shoots 308 to 1000 every month. 168s but SMKs not Hybrids.

 

[gohring3006]

Thanks, what I meant actually is that my perception from reading is that under similar loading pressures, barrel length, and bullet choice, the 30-06 will give you an extra 100 FPS over a 308.

All this, at similar recoil, less than 1 inch longer overall length, and similar cost for both rifle and rounds.

100 FPS gain might not seem like much, but 1 000 yards is a long shot, at least to me.

I am not criticizing the 308 win, and yes it is proven, I am just curious if there is any other advantage over the 30-06 other than the logistics of carrying longer bullets. Of course I am assuming that a setup for 1 000 yard shots is a bolt action.

I agree I actually think the 06 is far superior to the 308 but that's my opinion and buy saying that I probably just started a cartridge war but I love the debate anyway anyway I think that he already had the 308 26in so he's trying to get the most out of what he's got I could be wrong though....

 

[Canadian Bushman]

Umm, well 800+ is significantly more difficult for anything.

Got a guy at one of the LR ranges that shoots 308 to 1000 every month. 168s but SMKs not Hybrids.

Sure, thats what ftr is. The 175 smk is the typical weapon of choice for ftr, and lately the 210's and 215's are becoming the norm. The 168 is the dog of the 30 cals, its fine for a medium range hunting bullet but in my opinion its the worst bullet you can shoot lr with a 308. The 185 vld gave me significantly less wind drift than the 168, and with the 215 hybrid i get half of the drift i had with the 185 at sea level.

800 yds is childs play with the 215, where mine is still hitting with 1400 ft/lbs of energy.

Shoot the 168 and get back to me on the difference between 600 and 800 yards. I shot about 2000 of em figuring it out.

 

[Deleted member 46119]

Sure, thats what ftr is. The 175 smk is the typical weapon of choice for ftr, and lately the 210's and 215's are becoming the norm. The 168 is the dog of the 30 cals, its fine for a medium range hunting bullet but in my opinion its the worst bullet you can shoot lr with a 308. The 185 vld gave me significantly less wind drift than the 168, and with the 215 hybrid i get half of the drift i had with the 185 at sea level.

Shoot the 168 and get back to me on the difference between 600 and 800 yards. I shot about 2000 of em figuring it out.

To divergent from the original topic.

While you are correct about the past and current trend for FTR, I shoot F-Open. The other guy shoots FTR.

 

[MudRunner2005]

I don't shoot comps, but would like to someday.

I do however, love how the 210 Bergers shoot out of my .308 Win. I have shot 168's for well over a decade (since I built my first .308), and they've never let me down. I know, I know...I'm not as old as some of yall, but that doesn't mean I don't have any experience or knowledge to share as well. But I am truly loving how the 210's shoot. The 168's and 175's are nice. I am experimenting with the 185 VLD's in my .30-06 AI right now, since it has a 12" twist barrel (booo!), but it was a free brand new 26" varmint take-off barrel, so I wasn't complaining.

I am going to try the 210's just to see if it will stabilize them. If so, I might have a ringer.

I have been meaning to try the 185 VLD's in my .308 as well. I might have to give that a try soon.

 

[Canadian Bushman]

To divergent from the original topic.

While you are correct about the past and current trend for FTR, I shoot F-Open. The other guy shoots FTR.

Pm me, we can debate it all afternoon.

 

[Canadian Bushman]

I have been meaning to try the 185 VLD's in my .308 as well. I might have to give that a try soon.

I absolutely love the 185 vlds in my 308. They do everything well, and they have expanded well on game.