30 nos, adjusting loads for faster twist

btap1991

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I wouldn’t bother with the 210s. Shoot the 215s, or the 245s. The 215s are easy to tune
Definitely would say the 210’are worth trying for a hunting bullet.
Burgers are great but ablr beats it’s in opening up a though down to 1200 and haven’t heard of them blowing apart when impact
Is too fast up close.
Bc is really Close, i shoot the 205 Berger’s with great results
But I’ve yet to have a ablr disappoint me and get a few hundred more yards of effective range if you’re actually taking a long shot.
Just saying it’s definitely a contender for top of line hunting bullet as far as bonded bullets go.
Seems like monos are gonna take over soon with their bc and all around great performances between hammers, cutting edge and badlands… as for faster twist I’ve heard its
Much better to have faster twist than not fast enough you should have big changes unless it’s the barrel brand ,harmonics , length ect..
 

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The bigger consideration when changing up the twist ratio is "Will the shorter twist still stabilize my currently used bullets" Typically a fast twist barrel is better at stabilizing a longer bullet and a slower twist barrel is better at stabilizing a shorter bullet. Longer bullets are the heavier ones in the caliber that you are interested in.
You can't overstabilize a bullet buy you can understabilize it. You don’t have to have a slower twist for lighter bullets.
 

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Definitely would say the 210’are worth trying for a hunting bullet.
Burgers are great but ablr beats it’s in opening up a though down to 1200 and haven’t heard of them blowing apart when impact
Is too fast up close.
Bc is really Close, i shoot the 205 Berger’s with great results
But I’ve yet to have a ablr disappoint me and get a few hundred more yards of effective range if you’re actually taking a long shot.
Just saying it’s definitely a contender for top of line hunting bullet as far as bonded bullets go.
Seems like monos are gonna take over soon with their bc and all around great performances between hammers, cutting edge and badlands… as for faster twist I’ve heard its
Much better to have faster twist than not fast enough you should have big changes unless it’s the barrel brand ,harmonics , length ect..
I really like the idea of the ABLR but they are dang finicky to get to shoot accurately.
I really want them to work but I’ve only been able to get them to shoot accurately in my wife’s 6.5x47 Lapua and they are devastating on Axis, whitetail and Blackbuck. I can’t get them to shoot in 3 other rifles that are 1/4” shooters with Bergers and other bullets.
 

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This is a truly unlikely scenario. It is nearly impossible to over spin a shorter bullet. Within the reasonable weight and twist choices for most hunting rifles a faster twist will not degrade the accuracy of lighter/shorter bullets. A 1:7 TWIST ON A 223 WILL SHOOT 40 GRAIN vmax just as well as a 1:12 but will also shoot 95 grain bullets that the slower twist would never stabilize. Same holds true for most cartridges.
The one place you need to be careful on overtwisting a bullet is causing it to come apart. I ran the 85 grain sierra varminters in my 8 twist .260 ai, and even with foreforming loads, would have one occasionally come apart before hitting the target. About 500 rounds on the barrel at that time. The ones that did make it to the target shot around .5 MOA though, ha ha. Also shot the 40 grain v-max's in a 7 twist .223, a ruger mini 14, had to keep loads moderate in that gun to keep them together. It had a pretty rough throat though, north of 2,500 rounds through that barrel, and we weren't very nice to it in the prarie dog fields.

If you use monos though, this particular problem can be avoided. And in this particular application of an 8 twist 30 nosler, you would probably have to run a 130 cup and core or something similar really fast to have any problems ha ha.
 

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While you really can't over stabilize a bullet like Cody says you sure can hurt bullet jackets.
Shoot some 20 cal 32gr bullets in a 9 or 10 twist at P.D then in a 12 you will see what I'm talking about.
What people don't take into consideration is throat wear. I know of people who used a 8 twist shooting 55's in a fast 20 cal on a new barrel it was fine, 300 rounds later tearing them up.
 

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Slower powder availability is an issue, we wanted RL26 or H1000 but not much luck finding it so we are using what is on hand.
Don’t be afraid to try powders that are more readily available, I.e., LRT, Magnum, Magpro; the result might just surprise you. As with anything else, YMMV, and you are trying to find out what combination your actual rifle set-up likes, not what anyone one of us has previously have success with. Good luck!
 

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I really like the idea of the ABLR but they are dang finicky to get to shoot accurately.
I really want them to work but I’ve only been able to get them to shoot accurately in my wife’s 6.5x47 Lapua and they are devastating on Axis, whitetail and Blackbuck. I can’t get them to shoot in 3 other rifles that are 1/4” shooters with Bergers and other bullets.
I’ve had good luck but I’ve heard the same Berger just seem to shoot good in a lot of guns.
Every gun that has shot monos good has shot the ablr good too for me
 

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Spinning a 210VLD apart from a 30Nos from velocity alone is a very unlikely scenario.
I never said it would in a 30 cal, ever wondered why people bad mouth bergers exploding on impact, suppose throat wear and rpms like in a 8 twist
 

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I never said it would in a 30 cal, ever wondered why people bad mouth bergers exploding on impact and throat wear suppose its because of an 8 twist.
I never said you did....it's a statement.... Again spinning the jacket off a 210vld out of a 30nos based on velocity alone probably isn't going to happen. Introduce all the other scenario's ya want. 🤷‍♂️
 
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