30 Gr Nagel 17cal

[fathertime]

Where can a guy find "Nagel 30 grain" bullets?
Dan

 

[Leave me alone]

I can give you his # very limited production last time I checked he was out. 200 at a time no more no less

 

[platapus]

Here you go

 

[fathertime]

Thanks for the replies. I'll try and run it Down. Never shot them before but want to try them.

 

[platapus]

Thanks for the replies. I'll try and run it Down. Never shot them before but want to try them.

You're welcome. You'll need at least a 1-9" twist.

 

[platapus]

Calling coyotes with my 17-223 Improved shooting the 30gr Chan Nagel at 4000 fps drew first blood, 2 so far

One at 125, frontal neck shot, pretty large exit.

One at 342, a quartering neck shot, no exit.

Both DRT.

Going back out tomorrow and will report back if I connect.

 

[Straight Shooter]

Platypus, how much and what kind of powder to get that speed?

 

[platapus]

Platypus, how much and what kind of powder to get that speed?

24.9gr Benchmark, Rem 7.5 primer. I wouldn't recommend starting there. I went to 25.3 but had pressure.

 

[Straight Shooter]

Platypus, how much more volume does the improved have over the 17 Remington?

 

[platapus]

Platypus, how much more volume does the improved have over the 17 Remington?

I'm not for sure. I am a huge fan of the 40° shoulder is whybI went this route.

The 17-223 Improved is extremely efficient with way better brass IMO. I also have a few .20-223 Improved shooting 39/40gr at 3700+.

Takes 5 different bushings to neck down the 17 from .223 and 2 bushings for the 20. Super easy

 

[PBR driver]

I'm not for sure. I am a huge fan of the 40° shoulder is why I went this route.

The 17-223 Improved is extremely efficient with way better brass IMO. I also have a few .20-223 Improved shooting 39/40gr at 3700+.

Takes 5 different bushings to neck down the 17 from .223 and 2 bushings for the 20. Super easy

Ever heard of the .17 Predator?
The Predator may be an idea with the improved shoulder angle?

 

[platapus]

Ever heard of the .17 Predator?
The Predator may be an idea with the improved shoulder angle?

I have. I believe it has a 30° shoulder and the thought was reliable feeding from a bolt gun.

I have 40° shoulders in bolt and ARs, they feed just fine.

The performance between the two is nil. I just went 40° because I have 223 Improved bushing dies. So .22 to. 20 to .17 is simply the correct bushing size and setting of the die for correct head space. Very easy.

 

[coyotemaster]

Yes Dan Clements designed the Predator with a 30° shoulder with a shoulder diameter of .365. I think that's about as straight as you can be and still feed reasonably well.
I already own one of Dave's reamers for the Predator or ID seriously consider the 17/204 as my .17 Coyote getter.It could be built on an AR platform and be hell on wheels on multiples when calling and still have accuracy to 400+ on spot and stalk situation.