28 nosler vs 7RM

[Big10hunter]

Is 28 worth it? Looking for an 800 yard elk gun. What are REAL ballistics n velocities? How much more recoil will it be? Yes I plan to reload.

 

[AZShooter]

I'll bite. I just looked up Nosler's load data for the two. Using a 175gr bullet and their fastest load for each. I know that what others might get can vary but it is a control using the same data.

7 Rem mag: 2970 fps

28 Nosler: 3210 fps

Recoil with a 9 lb rifle and above loads:

7 RM: 20.8 ft/lb

28 Nosler: 29.4 ft/lb ( recoil isn't that bad my 7.5 lb 338 RCM shooting 225 gr bullets is 32 ft/lb)

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There is no question that the larger cartridge would be a much better choice for LR elk. I know which one I'd use for an 800 yd shot on an elk.

I sure wouldn't use the 175 Nosler bullet but a 180 gr Berger hybrid and perhaps the newest addition to their 7mm lineup, the 195.

you might want to read Len's thread:

28 Nosler + Berger 195 = Great Elk Medicine

 

[Sully2]

7mm Rem mag for me. "Stats" arent everything and anywhere you go in this world you'll find 7mm Rem mag ammo......what so with 28 Noz?

 

[MudRunner2005]

There's a member here (can't ever remember his name for some reason) who killed a monster moose at over 900 yards with a regular old 7mm RemMag... That should tell you a lot about how capable the old 7RM is in the right hands with proper shot placement.

 

[FEENIX]

Both chambering in question is capable of harvesting elk at 800 yards provided the nut behind the trigger is also capable.

The 7MM Rem Mag can do it with a lot le$$; plenty of bra$$ $upply in the market to choose from.

 

[adrexco]

The 28 Nosler fits into a standard long action. You can then use a Magnum length action where you can have a COAL to at least 3.650" long (actions that accept cartridges like the 7mm Rem Ultra Mag). This allows for using the high B.C. bullets like the Berger 195 EOL. It lets you extend the bullet to reach the lands (and not use case capacity for the bullet). Couple this with a 26" barrel with 1:8.5 twist and with somewhere around 80grs of powder you are pushing the 195gr at about 3100fps. You can't do that with a 7RM

 

[FEENIX]

The 28 Nosler fits into a standard long action. You can then use a Magnum length action where you can have a COAL to at least 3.650" long (actions that accept cartridges like the 7mm Rem Ultra Mag). This allows for using the high B.C. bullets like the Berger 195 EOL. It lets you extend the bullet to reach the lands (and not use case capacity for the bullet). Couple this with a 26" barrel with 1:8.5 twist and with somewhere around 80grs of powder you are pushing the 195gr at about 3100fps. You can't do that with a 7RM

Nonetheless, the 7MM Rem Mag is still capable of harvesting elk at 800 yards as noted by responders above.

Looking for an 800 yard elk gun.

Cheers!

 

[MudRunner2005]

The 28 Nosler fits into a standard long action. You can then use a Magnum length action where you can have a COAL to at least 3.650" long (actions that accept cartridges like the 7mm Rem Ultra Mag). This allows for using the high B.C. bullets like the Berger 195 EOL. It lets you extend the bullet to reach the lands (and not use case capacity for the bullet). Couple this with a 26" barrel with 1:8.5 twist and with somewhere around 80grs of powder you are pushing the 195gr at about 3100fps. You can't do that with a 7RM

All Rem 700 long actions are the same length, and have the same length internal magazine boxes, regardless of whether it was factory chambered for .30-06, .300 WinMag, or .300 RUM.

 

[mfk]

The 28 Nosler fits into a standard long action. You can then use a Magnum length action where you can have a COAL to at least 3.650" long (actions that accept cartridges like the 7mm Rem Ultra Mag). This allows for using the high B.C. bullets like the Berger 195 EOL. It lets you extend the bullet to reach the lands (and not use case capacity for the bullet). Couple this with a 26" barrel with 1:8.5 twist and with somewhere around 80grs of powder you are pushing the 195gr at about 3100fps. You can't do that with a 7RM

 

[mfk]

Adrexco: I agree. Never shot a nosler 28, but on paper it seems it would really shine because of the potential to use the 195 berger at good velocity. That 195 berger has a bc that is a significant leap over a 175 eldx or berger 180. Gun would be a laser with that projectile. This would really provide a much longer kill range (potentially) if the shooter can do his part. Would really buck the wind too. $$$$$$ for ammo

 

[manitou]

There is a reason the 7 mag is the, or one of the #1 elk cratridges. The guys on long range hunting shows have been killing animals over 1000 yds with them long before the 28 Nosler was born.
I find it laughable that the hunting community has been brainwashed (marketing) into thinking they need a howitzer to elk hunt with, but innumerable elk-sized animals have been harvested with the .243, 30-06, 7mm-08 and .270, as-well-as many other "lesser" cartridges.

 

[adrexco]

Well, been hunting with the N28 for two seasons now. It's a very capable long range round. What sets it apart from the 7mm Rem (and I have always been a 7mm Rem) is that it shoots so flat. From most hunting situations it's just point and shoot. Agreed it really only makes sense if you hand load. Case life has been pretty good if you're not running the hottest load, and the B195's drop'em in there tracks.

 

[mfk]

There is a reason the 7 mag is the, or one of the #1 elk cratridges. The guys on long range hunting shows have been killing animals over 1000 yds with them long before the 28 Nosler was born.
I find it laughable that the hunting community has been brainwashed (marketing) into thinking they need a howitzer to elk hunt with, but innumerable elk-sized animals have been harvested with the .243, 30-06, 7mm-08 and .270, as-well-as many other "lesser" cartridges.

 

[manitou]

Nothing wrong with the big cartridges and heavy kickers. I used to be on the magnum bandwagon myself. Now that I am older, I don't lift weights as much, don't look in the mirror as much and realize I am not handicapped with an efficient cartridge that is easier on the wallet, easier on components, easier on barrels and won't detach a retina.