S1, would you please give some information on the ones you use. We have a new addition to the group, thats getting in to LR shooting and wants a gun that doesn't recoil bad. We were going with a 6.5/284, but I think an accurate .24cal is just about right. In your opinion what is the max range a good shooter, with good wind call, could achieve on smallish(under 120lbs.) whitetial. Thanks.