.223 WSSM or WSSM IMPROVED

My 25 WSSM AR was bought for a coyote and hog rifle. Shoots 75 and 87 gr. bullets good enough for a calling rifle. Haven't wasted a lot of time and ammo trying for the to make it a tack driver, which would never happen. Found a load thats is accurate enough and functions well in the rifle. That's all I am looking for. Would I do it again,yes. Would I buy a bolt action rifle in any of the WSSM's, no.
I have 6 ackley improved rifles and building a 7th. My advice would be to play with another cartridge if you want to design or "improve" your own cartridge.
I have a friend who just built two 30 WSSM's. I let you know his results.
 
My brother in law shoots this round and it is accurate out of his rifle, but I'm not sure how the brass will hold up to reloading with the thick neck. Looks like it should be anealled pretty often. Maybe this cartridge needs some reverse engineering to bring out it's potential.
 
You're gonna reverse engineer more potential from a 25WSSM huh?
Let's see...

With .303 in neck length, and a 30deg shoulder angle, the flamepoint is 73.5% up the neck. A 6PPC has a flamepoint of 73.7%

According to The WSM/WSSM patent higher efficiency is gained from a case when the length of the wide-body portion of the case is below 3.33x the dia of wide-body.
For instance, a WSM case measures 1.56" wide-body length, and has a dia of .555"
1.56/.555 = 2.81 (this is good)
A 30:06 ratio is 1.82/.471= 3.87 (this is bad)
A 6PPC is .939/.438 = 2.14
A 6BR is .923/.471 = 1.96
A 25WSSM is 1.02/.555 = 1.83

There is actually some merit to this, where more of the powder is burned within the chamber instead of down the barrel some length, or even beyond the muzzle. Less powder contributing to accelerated mass means less recoil, and the WSM/WSSMs do seem to recoil less. Efficiency of the WSSMs does seem higher than other -longer cases of the similar capacity. But not alot.
In QL the term 'Weighting Factor' can be calibrated for this bottlenecking of powder. It works well.

I have made WSSM brass from WSM. I've made same capacity cases from 284 brass as well. There is no way to get around thickness from forming on pre-made brass. To get thinner brass in WSSM, it would have to be maufactured thinner from the git-go.
So I turn the necks, and my WSSM chambers are tight neck. Works well albeit more work.

The bulk Win brass sold is very good quality. Best I've measured in any cartridge including those I primarily use Lapua and Norma for.
Remember though, WSSM brass has tremendous springback. It takes trial and error(and alot of tools) to turn and end up with a perfect product. It is very tough. I have well over 20+ reloads on my 26WSSM, and have not annealed. Actually, I'm just now at the point where neck tension is beginning to vary, so I'm annealing the next brass to be loaded. Pockets are still like new.
If you stay moderate with loads, 50 pieces of this brass will wear out many barrels.

Anyway, the WSSM has only 10thou of body taper already. Less would likely be tough to pull from a chamber after firing. The 30deg shoulder puts the flamepoint in the neck and allows better feeding. A coned breech is needed anyway. I went to 35deg for the flamepoint in 26cal. It formed this in one firing. Haven't seen case growth at all, and bumping has been reasonable at 1-1.5thou for .0005"HS. But I carefully measured my lot of 25wssm brass and went no more than a thou over for any dimension, on my reamer print.
Make sure you put enough BARREL metal around your chamber. If the chamber expands too much, if it's loose, and WSSM brass decides to spring back alittle less...You'll be beating bolts open.
Use a magnum action as this is not a short action cartridge with 140gr bullets anyway.

Improvements? I don't see it.
With all accounted for, any further gains just aren't worth it.
Winchestor did well except for going down to 24 & 22cals with these.
That was an utterly stupid move on their part. If I worked there, I would likely have been fired for bringing that to their attention.
 
"You're gonna reverse engineer more potential from a 25WSSM huh?
Let's see..."

Aaaa...Mike, The reverse engineer comment was a tongue in cheek. You do make excellent points about the .257 and .264. I can also agree with your comment about the 22 cal, but have no experince with the 24.
 
Mike your original reply to my reverse engineering still causes a little curl of smoke to emit from my ears. Maybe vapor and I'm having a melt down. ;)
 
I was just wondering if or how many out there have experience with this cartridge or wildcatting it, it just seems to be the best of the wssm's in terms of potential. just fishing for thoughts on this round good and bad

I know a couple guys that bought them, and they just could not get them to group well. Seem to be hard on barrels as well. If you gotta really zing that bullet, then look no further than a good generic 22-250. Ammo is a fraction of the cost, and the groups are way better. Both the guys I know that bought .223WSSM's rebarreled them with 6mm barrels and used the same case necked up to 6mm. Shot very well.
gary
 
Well i lovee hotrod 22's and as for potential i mean in terms of eavy 22cal bullets 70gr and over, barrela life and wear are the dues we all pay for all out performance one of my fave rifles is a 243catbird it eats a barrel at about 900rds fired so every year and a half or so it gets a new tube. I was just looking at the round as a 22 that i didnt have and may want to get it certainly seems to have the steam behind it. I think i read somewhere on here that Kirby allen played with it when trying to make a 224 allen mag. I have seen the 223 wssm in an ar platform and the gun shot very good at longers distance i was just thinking good barrel and builder and heavy bullets it could have some real long range potential that cartridges like the 223dont have and could be better than some of the other hot 22's like a weatherby rocket ,swift or 225 winchester or the necked down 284. just food for thought

you need to look at the .224 Vias. It'll push an 80 grain bullet at about 3700fps with ease, and barrels are good for about 1400 rounds
gary
 
you need to look at the .224 Vias. It'll push an 80 grain bullet at about 3700fps with ease, and barrels are good for about 1400 rounds
gary

+1 or even a 22-243 middlestead, 22-6mm AI, or 22-284, all fast moving powder burning, barrel eaters.

Not much info out on it but a 22x47 maybe a good choice, looks like you could get 3700fps with a 70gr.
 
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