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I think I heard Mark from Mark
And Sam after work say something about single feeding the other day. Not sure what episode or what he said. LOL
 

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I think I heard Mark from Mark
And Sam after work say something about single feeding the other day. Not sure what episode or what he said. LOL
What is Mark and Sam?
I’m editing this because I found Mark and Sam after work. Never heard of that before. I did find an episode called Mag feed vs Single feed and watched it. The more I hear the more things are making sense as to why the mag is causing the issue. Have a few other ideas some people have thrown out there I’m going to try as well. Thanks for putting this up!
 
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Well want to thank everyone for the responses and ideas to try. Finally got to the range today and found my answers, first the front scope base screw was bottoming out on the barrel! I had torqued and retorqued 10 times at least and never caught this. The only way to know is to take the rear bolt out and you can find a small amount of play in the base. I shortened the screw and retorqued and verified repair. Still had same issue with flyer unfortunately! I thought 110 percent when I saw that i was golden! Next… while at the range I chambered a round and extracted it with all 3 rounds from the mag. Low and behold my cbto on 1 round had dropped by .046! I repeated this step multiple times and found no rime or reason to the madness as far as which one is getting stuffed into the case further, could be first, could be 3rd or 2nd. What the hell, maybe because this is such a small caliber this is happening. Neck tensions are all the same, and I’m not sure how I feel about a crimp on my rounds for a bolt gun because I’ve never had to do this before. My next question pertains to a crimp as I see this may be the only way to fix the issue if I plan on using the mag which I do. How do you manage consistent neck pressure for a crimp, is it even possible?
 

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Well want to thank everyone for the responses and ideas to try. Finally got to the range today and found my answers, first the front scope base screw was bottoming out on the barrel! I had torqued and retorqued 10 times at least and never caught this. The only way to know is to take the rear bolt out and you can find a small amount of play in the base. I shortened the screw and retorqued and verified repair. Still had same issue with flyer unfortunately! I thought 110 percent when I saw that i was golden! Next… while at the range I chambered a round and extracted it with all 3 rounds from the mag. Low and behold my cbto on 1 round had dropped by .046! I repeated this step multiple times and found no rime or reason to the madness as far as which one is getting stuffed into the case further, could be first, could be 3rd or 2nd. What the hell, maybe because this is such a small caliber this is happening. Neck tensions are all the same, and I’m not sure how I feel about a crimp on my rounds for a bolt gun because I’ve never had to do this before. My next question pertains to a crimp as I see this may be the only way to fix the issue if I plan on using the mag which I do. How do you manage consistent neck pressure for a crimp, is it even possible?
 

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I normally don't shoot 3 shot groups anymore. IMO it doesn't give enough "hands on" data. Why don't you see what happens with 5 shot groups. That will give you a better idea of the rifle's performance. Better yet, shoot 5 shots, let the barrel cool all the way down then shoot 5 more at the same target. That amounts to a 10 shot group.
Many years ago when I lived in FL I had visited a public range you had to present your rifle to the range master and then he assigned you a bench. He seemed to be a real snob and smirked when I uncased a butt ugly H&R Handi Rifle in .223. And it WAS really ugly. The stock wood was extra proud and the barrel looked like it was finished with a mill bastard file! After setting up a target at 100 yards after the first cease fire I proceeded to fire about 15 rounds down range before the next cease fire. As he was walking down checking all the rifles to be sure they were safe he asked how the rifle shot. I told him to check for himself. There was a ragged hole in the target about the size of a dime. He asked how many shots were in that group. I said oh, about 15 or so. He was shocked
 

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I normally don't shoot 3 shot groups anymore. IMO it doesn't give enough "hands on" data. Why don't you see what happens with 5 shot groups. That will give you a better idea of the rifle's performance. Better yet, shoot 5 shots, let the barrel cool all the way down then shoot 5 more at the same target. That amounts to a 10 shot group.
Many years ago when I lived in FL I had visited a public range you had to present your rifle to the range master and then he assigned you a bench. He seemed to be a real snob and smirked when I uncased a butt ugly H&R Handi Rifle in .223. And it WAS really ugly. The stock wood was extra proud and the barrel looked like it was finished with a mill bastard file! After setting up a target at 100 yards after the first cease fire I proceeded to fire about 15 rounds down range before the next cease fire. As he was walking down checking all the rifles to be sure they were safe he asked how the rifle shot. I told him to check for himself. There was a ragged hole in the target about the size of a dime. He asked how many shots were in that group. I said oh, about 15 or so. He was shocked
The first shot is the one that counts
 

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I can guarantee you if O.P is getting .046 variances in seating depth i dont care how many shot groups he shoots.
If you have ever shot .010 difference loads atleast 500 you'll see what I mean, that being said ive never had a problem with as .002 nk tension moving
 
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