I load them in .30/06 so not totally relevant, but should hopefully help. I've taken a few deer with them as well. I've found they don't open well without hitting the shoulder blade, unless you anneal them, then they open properly. I haven't shot a deer closer than 150 or beyond 400 with that bullet, annealed or otherwise. There's a lot of hunting bullets out there you won't need to fiddle with to hunt. I've found the 167g to be excellent paper punchers, and so-so hunting bullets. I'm loading them over 56.5g R-17 at 2,880, Where I found best accuracy without pressure. This load was worked up in my particular rifle, YMMV, so start lower. The 155 Scenar has a better BC and maybe a better mid-range choice, I was able to push them to 3050 also with R-17, and Norma URP. I couldn't find sufficient accuracy with the 155, but they are also very consistent, quality bullets that can make some tiny holes very closely spaced indeed.