150 grains to 200. using 30 cal

[Steelflight]

So i had a brief yet Sound discussion with my father. Slowly im Leaning more into long range shooting. I have become rather transfixed on any ballistic book reading i can find particularly with bullet wheight choice. I still lay awake at night thinking on my next improvement for the hunting round.

However with regards to 600+ target shooting have any one found it worth the time go from 150 grain or 180 grain btsp too a 200 grain bt Fmj. Im thinking it is worth the wheight.

 

[AZShooter]

I'd go to a greater weight, to the 215 Berger target hybrid. Even the 308 win shows downrange improvements with retained energy and minimal wind drift. It IS the go to bullet for the 300 win mag PERIOD.

What cartridge are you using?

It IS worth the wait to go up in weight......you will probably have to order those 215 Bergers.

link for them, they are even on sale:

.30 Cal/.308 215 Grain Match Hybrid Target Bullets, Case of 100 | Bullets.com

 

[FEENIX]

I'd go to a greater weight, to the 215 Berger target hybrid. Even the 308 win shows downrange improvements with retained energy and minimal wind drift. It IS the go to bullet for the 300 win mag PERIOD.

What cartridge are you using?

It IS worth the wait to go up in weight......you will probably have to order those 215 Bergers.

link for them, they are even on sale:

.30 Cal/.308 215 Grain Match Hybrid Target Bullets, Case of 100 | Bullets.com

+1! I have 3 .300 WM and for some reason they hold tighter groups with 180g and heavier.

Load the .300 WM with Berger 215/230 and you're golden ... on target or game.

 

[Steelflight]

What cartridge are you using?

It IS worth the wait to go up in weight......you will probably have to order those 215 Bergers.

link for them, they are even on sale:

.30 Cal/.308 215 Grain Match Hybrid Target Bullets, Case of 100 | Bullets.com

I'm using 30-06 and 300 win mag.

bergers Bullets i will admit are amazing target bullets. perhaps for target shooting i will give them the due diligence. their VLD alone makes it possible to play jingle bells at long range.

 

[Steelflight]

is there any one out there uses a rebated boat tail

 

[HARPERC]

.......However with regards to 600+ target shooting have any one found it worth the time go from 150 grain or 180 grain btsp too a 200 grain bt Fmj. Im thinking it is worth the wheight.

The good .308 caliber bullets start at 200 grains in my experience.

If you wish to shoot 150 (+/-) grain bullets, the 6.5's or 7mm may be where you wish to be.

 

[TOM H]

So i had a brief yet Sound discussion with my father. Slowly im Leaning more into long range shooting. I have become rather transfixed on any ballistic book reading i can find particularly with bullet wheight choice. I still lay awake at night thinking on my next improvement for the hunting round.

However with regards to 600+ target shooting have any one found it worth the time go from 150 grain or 180 grain btsp too a 200 grain bt Fmj. Im thinking it is worth the wheight.

This may help you understand

http://www.appliedballisticsllc.com/index_files/30cal_fullVersion.pdf

 

[toddc]

I'm using 30-06 and 300 win mag.

bergers Bullets i will admit are amazing target bullets. perhaps for target shooting i will give them the due diligence. their VLD alone makes it possible to play jingle bells at long range.

Make the BEST bullets for game as well. A 215 30 cal will flat HAMMER a critter. A long for caliber high SD thin jacket is the best game bullet there is. Let the SD do the work not some marketing gimmick like a LOK or BOND.

 

[Steelflight]

41st Thanks for the input every one.

 

[Steelflight]

http://www.appliedballisticsllc.com/index_files/30cal_fullVersion.pdf

So i read this in full and i have a few things about the bias of it. though i must admit it was extremely insight fulll.

First and foremost is that despite his point of pointing out that the smaller rifle calibers of 7mm 6.5 and 6mm you certainly get faster take off and quick energy. which for all intents and purposes are good.

however every thing that he points out to go against the .308 caliber seems to just be a result of manufacturing done today. besides that from when this article is was written I can now with a simple search find several bullets besides sierra and bergers. lapua who well known for there attention to detail at least in my book now offers several to choose from. all to 220 grains for .308

My last opinion i would like to point out is that even compared to a smaller caliber you will dump some serious powder into the casing to just 3000 fps. even using something like a 300 rum. however for the sake of momentum and using the heavier bullet i ask this.

is being faster really even better. it's not like we're racing our bullets.

For an example i'll pick on the government issue 45-70. which back in it's prime was long range shooter. too some it still is. of course long range for the 1800's and still using black powder was 500 or 600 yards. depends on what competition your shooting i guess. However the bullets of this old grandpa even today sit at 2400 fps and they keep sailing on for some time. after the initial push the weight of the bullet pushes it on ward like a freight train.

Any way I just found it a little too bias . i can see the hammers of justice falling on my head form all the Ballistic experts here on LRH.

Again though thanks for the read and thanks for all the input on answering my questions.

 

[FEENIX]

http://www.appliedballisticsllc.com/index_files/30cal_fullVersion.pdf

So i read this in full and i have a few things about the bias of it. though i must admit it was extremely insight fulll.

First and foremost is that despite his point of pointing out that the smaller rifle calibers of 7mm 6.5 and 6mm you certainly get faster take off and quick energy. which for all intents and purposes are good.

however every thing that he points out to go against the .308 caliber seems to just be a result of manufacturing done today. besides that from when this article is was written I can now with a simple search find several bullets besides sierra and bergers. lapua who well known for there attention to detail at least in my book now offers several to choose from. all to 220 grains for .308

My last opinion i would like to point out is that even compared to a smaller caliber you will dump some serious powder into the casing to just 3000 fps. even using something like a 300 rum. however for the sake of momentum and using the heavier bullet i ask this.

is being faster really even better. it's not like we're racing our bullets.

For an example i'll pick on the government issue 45-70. which back in it's prime was long range shooter. too some it still is. of course long range for the 1800's and still using black powder was 500 or 600 yards. depends on what competition your shooting i guess. However the bullets of this old grandpa even today sit at 2400 fps and they keep sailing on for some time. after the initial push the weight of the bullet pushes it on ward like a freight train.

Any way I just found it a little too bias . i can see the hammers of justice falling on my head form all the Ballistic experts here on LRH.

Again though thanks for the read and thanks for all the input on answering my questions.

I am a big .308 cal fan and prefers it over .284 cal and IMHO, I did not see it as a bias in the old article but Bryan does know what he's talking about.

Having said, he won the FTR with a .308 >>> http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com...d-range-national-championship/comment-page-1/

I'd take accuracy over velocity anytime regardless of bullet used.

Cheers!

 

[LeePaHunter]

I couldn't agree more with FEENIX on this one. When it comes to accuracy versus velocity I will take accuracy any day. It doesn't matter how fast the bullet is going if you can't consistently hit the mark every time. I had some problems with loading for my brother in laws 280 a couple years ago. I tried the same load as I used in my 280 but his was throwing bullets everywhere. I ended up backing the charge off by 10 grains then it became a nail driver. He has the exact same gun as I do but his has alot less rounds through it compared to mine and it just seemed odd but it likes slower velocities than mine. So velocity doesn't mean a thing when it comes to accuracy.