Long Range Hunting Match

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So a heavy rifle to one person is not to another? I am 71 and still carry my 12lb Sendero at altitude and has never bothered me at all. Why should I be penalized for someone else not wanting to carry weight? How about adding in a 40 lb pack then? I am 6'4" 260 so I have different perspective. Guys in condition have same opinion as well no matter their s

Maybe penalized over 6'? C'mon man! This is a hunting shoot and if the weight is an issue add in a max weight that is not typical for hunting at altitude if that is major concern. Long heavy contour barrels on .27, .30 , .33 maxing out for long high BC bullets is not atypical at all.

Energy on target is a paper chase when using against non standard bullets. Who decides minimal energy? I believe 2K ft lbs for bison and elk. You believe 1K ft lbs for them. Who is right? Some think 500 ft lbs is plenty for whitetails. Not me. Where is there a "standard" that we are suppose to be in compliance with? High shoulder hits require less energy according to some and not so fast from others.

My understanding is the purpose of the shoot is to mirror hunting environmental conditions with basic class established. Anything else becomes a P match.

horse killer said:

Power factor is to low all my hunting rigs are above the fire factor you have

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I for one do not believe in long range hunting. To me if you cannot get within at least 200 yards of your quarry then you are not hunting you are doing target practice on live game. That is neither here or there and to each their own. Despite all that it might be interesting to do some target practice on live size targets using hunting...not precision rifles, nor using bipods, bags or anything else that one does not carry around in the woods or fields.

Teri Anne said:

I for one do not believe in long range hunting. To me if you cannot get within at least 200 yards of your quarry then you are not hunting you are doing target practice on live game. That is neither here or there and to each their own. Despite all that it might be interesting to do some target practice on live size targets using hunting...not precision rifles, nor using bipods, bags or anything else that one does not carry around in the woods or fields.

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You should probably find another place on the internet to interact with people who share your opinion because this site exists for people who do believe in long range hunting to share their thoughts experiences and opinions. It was started by a person who was tired of being judged as you have just done.

Muddyboots said:

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So a heavy rifle to one person is not to another? I am 71 and still carry my 12lb Sendero at altitude and has never bothered me at all. Why should I be penalized for someone else not wanting to carry weight? How about adding in a 40 lb pack then? I am 6'4" 260 so I have different perspective. Guys in condition have same opinion as well no matter their s

Maybe penalized over 6'? C'mon man! This is a hunting shoot and if the weight is an issue add in a max weight that is not typical for hunting at altitude if that is major concern. Long heavy contour barrels on .27, .30 , .33 maxing out for long high BC bullets is not atypical at all.

Energy on target is a paper chase when using against non standard bullets. Who decides minimal energy? I believe 2K ft lbs for bison and elk. You believe 1K ft lbs for them. Who is right? Some think 500 ft lbs is plenty for whitetails. Not me. Where is there a "standard" that we are suppose to be in compliance with? High shoulder hits require less energy according to some and not so fast from others.

My understanding is the purpose of the shoot is to mirror hunting environmental conditions with basic class established. Anything else becomes a P match.

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I totally agree. I have 2 Winchester Model 70's, 2 Tikka T3X, 1 Tikka T1X and a Browning AB3. All will shoot at 1/2 MOA and the T1X has proven it's mettle on Woodchucks out to 100 yards. All are standard shoulder held hunting rifles. I don't believe a MSR chambered in 5.56 or .223 should be used on anything but varmints while those chambered in .308 are worthy of deer and antelope sized game at reasonable distances. I'm sure that many will disagree but I've learned a lot hunting over the past 62 years. One thing that I truly believe in is a quote from Army Major Lones Wigger. "Only hits count."

I've always believed in stalking, I love the stalk. I've called elk in within 15 ft while bowhunting. But during rifle season near where I currently live the closest you will usually get is 600 yards.

I would really like this, it would give me a place to use my hunting gun more. I wanted to shoot PRS but money is a limiting factor, so a hunting comp sounds great.

Muddyboots said:

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So a heavy rifle to one person is not to another? I am 71 and still carry my 12lb Sendero at altitude and has never bothered me at all. Why should I be penalized for someone else not wanting to carry weight? How about adding in a 40 lb pack then? I am 6'4" 260 so I have different perspective. Guys in condition have same opinion as well no matter their s

Maybe penalized over 6'? C'mon man! This is a hunting shoot and if the weight is an issue add in a max weight that is not typical for hunting at altitude if that is major concern. Long heavy contour barrels on .27, .30 , .33 maxing out for long high BC bullets is not atypical at all.

Energy on target is a paper chase when using against non standard bullets. Who decides minimal energy? I believe 2K ft lbs for bison and elk. You believe 1K ft lbs for them. Who is right? Some think 500 ft lbs is plenty for whitetails. Not me. Where is there a "standard" that we are suppose to be in compliance with? High shoulder hits require less energy according to some and not so fast from others.

My understanding is the purpose of the shoot is to mirror hunting environmental conditions with basic class established. Anything else becomes a P match.

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I mean if your rifle weighs 12 lbs it probably wouldn't exceed 15 with a shooting bag and bipod so you're kind of making the point. The whole idea of ft/lbs being open to interpretation is a fair point but if all were scored the same and pitted against each other and there was no weight limit you'd have PRS open rifles at hunting matches. A sendero in nearly any LA cartridge would meet the criteria for a match like this and I don't think anybody really thinks that's unreasonable. Again you could include lighter cartridges in a youth division so as to properly shame grownups and allow kids to participate

Maybe it would be easier on the organizers and shooters if you made it a "shoot" and not a "match". Therefore the govenoring rules could be more inclusive of the types of rigs and equipment used. Shooters might not get a first place medal, trophy, dust catcher, but they would gain knowledge on what works for them. And then they can also decid what they would be willing to carry in the field. Of course you could still make guidelines to keep things practical and realistic.

Timnterra said:

You should probably find another place on the internet to interact with people who share your opinion because this site exists for people who do believe in long range hunting to share their thoughts experiences and opinions. It was started by a person who was tired of being judged as you have just done.

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I do shoot long range, did for many years in the Army, mostly across the National Match Course and 1000 yard competitions, so I do have an interest in long range shooting but not as it has devolved into who has the most toys wins. I shot M14's out to 600 yards, M16's out to 400 yards and Winchester Model 70's in 300 H&H Magnum with Uniertl scopes out to 1000 yards. No bags, no bipods. only rifle slings and shooting gloves allowed. So you can complain all you want. Despite your thoughts I have been there and done that without all the fancy gear that long range shooting aficionados believe they need to shoot at long distances.

Prone position, military style sling at 100 yards shooting between gusts. 5 shot MOA group using commercial ammunition not my reloads which group even tighter. I've had this rifle out to 300 yards, the longest range that I currently have available and shot a 5 shot group measuring 2.1 inches. The .270 shoots even better and I would not hesitate to take either of them out to 1000. I'm currently working on a Browning AB3 in 300 Win Mag as a hunting/target rifle. All 3 rifles have Vortex Diamondback Tactical 6 x 24 x 50 scopes on them.
In closing, try shooting long range my way. Then you are allowed to start complaining about being beat by a Girl.

Teri you don't seem to understand. The name of this website is "Long Range Hunting" the emphasis is on long range hunting. It is completely irrelevant whether you think you are an accomplished long range shooter or not. You have said that you do not believe in long range hunting. Therefore you should find a place where you can talk negatively about the people on this forum to others who agree with you instead of bringing your negativity here.

Teri please take your opinions and your thoughts to a different forum. This is the Long Range Hunting forum. This thread is about a potential shooting competition I have been thinking about. This isn't the place to be telling others how we should or shouldn't be hunting. If you have input on this particular match I'm dreaming up, then pitch in. If you don't have anything constructive to say, please stop commenting. Thank you

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xsn10s said:

Maybe it would be easier on the organizers and shooters if you made it a "shoot" and not a "match". Therefore the govenoring rules could be more inclusive of the types of rigs and equipment used. Shooters might not get a first place medal, trophy, dust catcher, but they would gain knowledge on what works for them. And then they can also decid what they would be willing to carry in the field. Of course you could still make guidelines to keep things practical and realistic.

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I like this concept that the whole point should be to test yourself and not necessarily against someone else. The points system would be just a gauge to measure how you do for future "shoots" but more importantly this "shoot" becomes real world "practice" that will definitely help you make that shot on an animal when you need to. I don't go into a archery 3D shoot to win it but to practice for upcoming season.

However, I can see a "shoot" become a "match" but maybe there can be two different concepts here to consider. Those who wish to shoot in a bona fide match and those who just want to shoot. Possibly two different entries not to confuse participants? There are going to be some real serious shooters that want to have a match to test their skills in a competitive setting and others (like myself) that are probably considered "rookies" and just want to "stretch" their equipment out and maybe gain some knowledge from other shooters.