Does the Creedmoor really need more??? I don't think so!

bomberodevil said:

Here's a question for the +3000 FPS folks. I've always believed that the 3000 line is about where shorter barrel life begins, and a heavy for cartridge bullet in the 2800-2900 FPS range is the ticket for deer/antelope class. My 6.5 CM with 140gr hand loads are 2790 FPS, my 30.06 180gn is 2700 FPS, and my .270 win with 140gn bullets are 2865 FPS. All of the bullets are either Nosler BT or AccuBond, depending on the critter. I know this thread was started by Hammer Bullets, but what are the benefits in hunting of going with a lighter projectile and higher speeds?

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Seems to flatten the thin skinned creatures better to run light and fast. I never would get bang flops shooting my 30-06 at 2700-2850 or so but started getting more dramatic kills with lighter bullets going 3000+.

even better bang flops now with my 25-06 at 3200+

GLTaylor said:

You will be amazed by the high velocity Hammers. A lighter bullet at high speed is absolutely devastating on animals. The construction of the Hammers is such that minimal meat damage occurs and the bullet retains it's weight for good penetration. They almost always give through and through penetration. I've only ever recovered one Hammer.

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X-2,

jgs8163 said:

Here is 45.8. 6 Creedmoor with 45.8 Staball and 88 GR HH. Stopping here as almost compressed from where I need to seat for my chamber. Great accuracy for both 45.5 and 45.8. Under 1/2 MOA at 100 for both. Going to tune this some more and it's going Antelope hunting this September.

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If your not seeing pressure go to a faster powder

Fedwell said:

A question for Steve, How Fast do i Need to push the 124 H-H out of my 30-06 to Achieve the best results? Thanks in advance



When we stop learning we start dying.

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As GL said, "As fast as it will go" The faster it is the more spectacular the results

jgs8163 said:

What about the 88Gr HH in the 6 Creedmoor. I just received them yesterday from my recent order.

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I have mine loaded with h4350.

Gater said:

How many rounds per barrel?

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Same number you would get out of a 147g bullet loaded to the same pressure level.

RockyMtnMT said:

I have mine loaded with h4350.

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What kind of velocity are you seeing with that and what powder charge?

ButterBean said:

If your not seeing pressure go to a faster powder

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I just might give that a go. Got some H380 and A2700 I may try.

Heat and pressure together is what burns out barrels. Not the vel of the projectile. People always equate higher speed with less barrel life. That theory is generally correct when comparing a faster cartridge to a slower cartridge because the faster cartridge is generally burning more powder for the size of the bore. A 30-06 running a 220g bullet at 2400 fps and 59,000 psi compared to 125g bullet at 3300 fps and 59,000 psi are going to have virtually identical barrel life. Compare a 300 rum to a 30-06 running the same pressure and the 300 rum is going to wear out significantly faster because of the amount of powder burning in barrel not the speed of the projectile.

jgs8163 said:

What kind of velocity are you seeing with that and what powder charge?

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Mine is running at 3330 fps with with 46g H4350, Hornady brass, WLRM, 88g Hammer Hunter. This is a Ruger American and it shoots 5/8" at 200y! I have all of 7 shots into this load counting zeroing the rifle. This is a top end load and should be reduced 10% and work up.

RockyMtnMT said:

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Does the Creedmoor really need more??? I don't think so! With this pure copper 85gr Hammer Hunter™ running around 3400 fps plus, it makes the Creed a 400 yard point blank range rig. This combo is still traveling nearly 2100 fps at 500y! This kind of speed with a bullet that will retain the...

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We just finished developing this one. With this guy being able to run in the 3450 fps world out of a Creed, at 2000 ft elev it is a 400y point blank range combo! Still running at 2077 fps at 500y. No recoil and legit 500y capability. This one should be fun! We will have @ButterBean running a 6.5 Creed yet!

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I think alot of guys take my coments on this caliber wrong . I dont despise 6.5s i just dont find them a viable long range Hunting rifle. I understand they can be spectacular paper punches out to 1000yrds but put a mose or elk out there and i wouldn't trusk them to have take down power. Load them as hot as you want they canot retain that hitting power out to much range

Cowboyblaster said:

I think alot of guys take my coments on this caliber wrong . I dont despise 6.5s i just dont find them a viable long range Hunting rifle. I understand they can be spectacular paper punches out to 1000yrds but put a mose or elk out there and i wouldn't trusk them to have take down power. Load them as hot as you want they canot retain that hitting power out to much range

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I think most here are of the opinion that the 6.5 Creed is capable out to 650. But that's a entirely different thread. I use my Creeds for deer sized critters. I wouldn't hesitate to shoot a moose or a elk with the proper bullet out of my 65 PRC though. As I said though this should be a entirely different thread to start.

Fedwell said:

A question for Steve, How Fast do i Need to push the 124 H-H out of my 30-06 to Achieve the best results? Thanks in advance



When we stop learning we start dying.

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I run a 130 grain barnes TTSX at 3,300 fps with Varget in my GF's '06 so you should be knocking on 3,400 with the Hammer

One thing I did learn today is not to compress loads with the HH as it can cause seating issues and furthermore it's unnecessary.