Is my Bergara Bergarbage?

I feel your pain .I had a nxs that would not hold zero, sent it back to them they fixed it and upgraded my turrets.They took care of my scope, as with anything man made it can fail/not perform at any time it just sux that you had to go through this with quality gear.
 
It's just bad luck you chrono and scope broke at same time. I know you were using chrono results to make up your mind the rifle was bad because of your ES. But I always check the barrel for a coppered up bore first. Then I check the scope on another accurate rifle. Then if it doesn't shoot you go into bedding and crowns and guard screw torque changes. Most of the time someone brings me a gun that stopped shooting it was not clean because they had no clue how to do it right or it was the scope. Scopes are still the weakest link on your rifle. They are much stronger and durable now but they still do fail. I've had them fail on little 6mms in 17 pound guns that don't recoil at all. They just break sometimes. Or a spring loses its power or the grease on the tube gets old and stiff. Old grease in the winter makes for some fine entertainment watching guys try to sight in there deer rifles. Goes like this. First shot 5 inches left. They dial in 5 inches right and shoot. It's right where the first shot was so they move 5 more inches right. Third shot 10 inches left. Hands go up in frustration. Remember most scopes only have to move the reticle down and left. Up and right is the springs responsibility. Some springs can't push through cold grease. Fun times. Look forward to seeing how it shoots when you get your scope back. Good luck.
Shep
 
@101stCurrahee I know this was a long painful process for you but I wanted to say thank you. Thank you for your brutal honesty through all of this. This thread is now a virtual gold mine of troubleshooting steps, help improving bench shooting techniques, and general advice. I'm sure it's small consolation but I learned a lot from your experience.
 
I would not waste my time trying to get anything for the materials you spent to figure out it is the scope, one they would not pay, two they fixed the scope and that is where it ends. I always say failure is a great motivator and teacher, now you know what to begin looking at before shipping your gun, looking at the Chrono, etc. I always use the KISS formula, on everything and it usually works. I am not going to bash NF, I never owned one and do not spend that kind of cash for glass, the highest price on glass I have is a Vortex PST Gen 1 6-24x50, it has been a great scope my next one will be the Vortex Strike Eagle 5-25x56, and will not break my bank. I would look at adding another scope to your arsenal on one of your other guns. Let us know how the NF return works for you, I own a Bergara and I think with some handloads you are going to be very happy.
 
There is no way your barrel wear is anything but broke in by now. I don't know how many rounds you went through but 125 is about average for the barrel to speed up and settle in. 300 mag should be good for at least 1500 shots if you take care of it. And that's just for optimum accuacy. You can very well get over 2000 usable shots quite easily from it.
Shep
 
Good to know Shep, I thought they were 1000-1200. I believe I'm at about 300 now.


I want to let everyone know that Bergara has been great. Nate called me directly and is still trying to figure this out. Even after apologizing and telling him this sounds like an optic problem, he is trying to find me a loaner optic. Yeah, trying to help something that may not even be their products fault. If I get this sorted out this is the kind of company that will have my business for life.
 
Do you need a loaner optic ?
I need one of decent quality and magnification to test it. NightForce has a nearly 2 month turnaround time. I will survive until then but I would like to see some solid groups to confirm the rifle is fine.

I'll be fine, I don't have any hunts planned until sept/oct. I'm just itching to see some decent groups and know everything will be ok. Lol.
 
Have you looked at some other optics to purchase to use until NF returns your scope? Athlon is a nice scope that will not break the bank, Vortex in Strike Eagle look to be a very nice scope that will not break the bank. I know you probably don't want to spend any money, but heck may look at some of those sitting in academy or Cabela's that are in the 200-300 range to use until NF is returned.
 
Good to know Shep, I thought they were 1000-1200. I believe I'm at about 300 now.


I want to let everyone know that Bergara has been great. Nate called me directly and is still trying to figure this out. Even after apologizing and telling him this sounds like an optic problem, he is trying to find me a loaner optic. Yeah, trying to help something that may not even be their products fault. If I get this sorted out this is the kind of company that will have my business for life.

I love my Bergara, glad they're taking care of you.
 
Good to know Shep, I thought they were 1000-1200. I believe I'm at about 300 now.


I want to let everyone know that Bergara has been great. Nate called me directly and is still trying to figure this out. Even after apologizing and telling him this sounds like an optic problem, he is trying to find me a loaner optic. Yeah, trying to help something that may not even be their products fault. If I get this sorted out this is the kind of company that will have my business for life.
Tagging back in on this, props to you for sticking through to the end on this. Sounds like you are on the right track, and as many people pointed out early on, all companies are capable of turning out a dud from time to time, what you pay for is how they respond to it.

My thoughts now are the following: dont make the same mistake of throwing a bunch of money at the scope, send it to NF (sounds like you already did) and give them the same chance you gave Bergara. Dont fall victim to the temptation to buy a cheaper optic to use in the meantime as some are suggesting. In the meantime, spend your time and money going through your entire hand-loading process and make sure you are ready to go when everything is back together.

- Buy a good chronograph, I've heard way too many stories of people having issues with the optical ones, unless you have the coin for a 35p or that infrared one (PVM21 I think?), get a Magnetospeed or a Labradar and verify it on your buddy's gun against a known load

Then focus on your handloads (unless you want to keep dropping serious money on Fed Gold Medal).
- Measure your fired brass, some of the belted magnums have loose chambers since the brass headspaces off the belt not the shoulder, dial in your sizing die to bump the shoulder back 0.001-0.002" from a fired case, dont resize back to mins every time.
- Check your dies, is your brass concentric when it is re-sized? if you are using the factory decapping rod they can sometimes pull the necks off center, spend the money for a Redding Type S full length bushing die and swap the expander button for their carbide expander that floats and self centers in the case neck, get the proper sized bushing for your die so that your neck tension isn't contributing to high SD/ES
- check your powder scale, my brand new Chargemaster regularly throws charges that are almost 0.2-0.3grs apart, I use it just as a powder measure now and weigh all my charges separately on a beam scale and trickle up to my desired weight (this is just a stop gap until I can convince the CFO to let me buy an A&D rig).
- Practice doing everything exactly the same every time all the time so that when your rifle is back up and running you can trust the ammo you are feeding it

When you get it all back together, do a proper OCW test with the chrono attached, dont look for group size, look for flat spots in the velocity curve indicating the most consistent charge weights (I usually load a minimum of 2 rounds at each charge weight to help eliminate potential outliers), this will yield your best SD and then you can tune seating depth to turn your groups into bugholes (I've gotten multiple loads on multiple rifles shooting sub half MOA with single digit SDs using this method). Dont get locked in a specific powder either. I know a lot of guys swear by H1000 for heavy bullets in magnum cartridges, it may just not work in your gun though (I've burned through my fair share of the stuff trying to get another rifle to shoot, outright velocity was good, but consistency wasnt there, ended up going with a powder than yielded slower MV but was way more consistent in my rifle/bullet combo.

Best of luck!
 
Thanks for the detailed reply.

I do all of what you listed except having a good chrono. I shoulder bump .002 with a Forster comp die with micrometer. Balance beam every single load sometimes even taking out or adding 1 granule or powder until it's exact. I think after all this my hand loads will be on point. Frustrated with accuracy I was loading every round pretty much identical throwing out and that were .001/.002 different from the rest as far trim length and adjusting CBTOL. Measured seating depth when new with a modified case. .

Another optic isn't going to happen. I spent my gum budget chasing my tail on this. And then I spend some more. After that I even spent some more ran up some credit card debt.

And NF wouldn't even cover shipping🙄
 
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