Muzzle brakes? 6.5 mm favorites and oversized performance.
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new2mud
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I have numerous videos on my YouTube channel that show the performance of many of the brakes mentioned here on a 300wm and 338 Lapua. None of them are more effective at reducing recoil then mine. It's not just an opinion it's proven. A added benefit to my brakes is they also work to combat muzzle rise by design. That is not the case with the Terminator brakes or the first couple version of the APA brakes. Area 419 magically incorporated some of this principle into their brakes when they were introduced less than a year after mine.
Just because a brake is bigger it doesn't mean it's more effective. The Fat B@$terd isn't a very effective brake but it's big and people are sold on the bigger is better theory. Like the example of the person buying one to put on a 6.5CM. Little does he know that one of those brakes on a 6.5CM is less effective then a brake smaller and designed more specifically to work on calibers of similar size. Port design, size, and shape are way more important than people realize and very few muzzle brake companies actually do much, if anything, to test that. They throw out a design and roll with it rather than trying to better it by testing. For example: APA hasn't updated their principle brake design since they originally came out with it over 10 years ago and to be honest neither has Terminator. Adding top ports in their latest version doesn't change the amount of recoil it reduces, it only reduces the muzzle rise. I have 6 or 7 new designs sitting on my bench waiting for me to have time to test them. That will be this spring some time and it will be on numerous new calibers as well. I will also test quite a few more of my competitors brakes. Just because I have one of the most effective brakes on the market doesn't mean their isn't something better yet to be made or already out there. I'm not cool with being second best. I consider this like a competition and I don't know many people that compete to come in second place if their goal is to actually win.
My opinion of brakes is that if I want to deal with the additional blast/concussion of a brake I want the least amount of recoil possible and if it controls muzzle rise to help spot shots then all the better. Most of my customers feel the same way. Some people don't like the concussion of the more aggressive brakes or can't use them for competitions. For those people I will have some 90 degree port brakes done around March or April.
Just because a brake is bigger it doesn't mean it's more effective. The Fat B@$terd isn't a very effective brake but it's big and people are sold on the bigger is better theory. Like the example of the person buying one to put on a 6.5CM. Little does he know that one of those brakes on a 6.5CM is less effective then a brake smaller and designed more specifically to work on calibers of similar size. Port design, size, and shape are way more important than people realize and very few muzzle brake companies actually do much, if anything, to test that. They throw out a design and roll with it rather than trying to better it by testing. For example: APA hasn't updated their principle brake design since they originally came out with it over 10 years ago and to be honest neither has Terminator. Adding top ports in their latest version doesn't change the amount of recoil it reduces, it only reduces the muzzle rise. I have 6 or 7 new designs sitting on my bench waiting for me to have time to test them. That will be this spring some time and it will be on numerous new calibers as well. I will also test quite a few more of my competitors brakes. Just because I have one of the most effective brakes on the market doesn't mean their isn't something better yet to be made or already out there. I'm not cool with being second best. I consider this like a competition and I don't know many people that compete to come in second place if their goal is to actually win.
My opinion of brakes is that if I want to deal with the additional blast/concussion of a brake I want the least amount of recoil possible and if it controls muzzle rise to help spot shots then all the better. Most of my customers feel the same way. Some people don't like the concussion of the more aggressive brakes or can't use them for competitions. For those people I will have some 90 degree port brakes done around March or April.
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Rich Coyle
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IdahoCTD,
Would you post a link, please?
Would you post a link, please?
Tikka Lover
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I love how people can come on here and just say anything they want true or not. Like a politician . So Terminator brakes don't reduce muzzle rise. 100% False. Terminator design hasn't been changed in 10 years? 100% False. Where do you even start to come up with that number? 22 models and every thread pitch imaginable to man including all the off the wall metric sizes that some manufactures choose to use for some reason. Machining on a Terminator is far and away better than anything on the market. I can't count how many times gunsmiths around the country have called me for no other reason than just to compliment the high quality and precision of the machining on the Terminator brakes
Tikka Lover
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Quote by IdahoCTD. "Area 419 magically incorporated some of this principle into their brakes when they were introduced less than a year after mine." I'd be careful trying to throw the "someone is copying me" BS in here. Have you seen your shooting sled? Look familiar to one made long before you? Your brake design look familiar to someone long before you...... Guys that want cheap, will buy cheap. Guys that want quality, will buy quality.
cohunt
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Wow, I now see more clearly.
Ohh this could be be the first time I've seen a moderator have to step in between two sponsors.
Glad I make my own brakes.
As for the OP, Good luck with what we talked about and hope it works out for you! Free is always better!
Glad I make my own brakes.
As for the OP, Good luck with what we talked about and hope it works out for you! Free is always better!
new2mud
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It's in his signature.
codyadams
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"Guys that want cheap, will buy cheap. Guys that want quality, will buy quality."
From my experience with both the Terminator brakes and the MBM brakes, I feel like the case with MBM is one of the rare cases where "Cheap" and "Quality" are synonymous. I like the aesthetics of the Terminator brakes, and use both, but considering comments like the one above about a good company ran by a solid American manufacturer, my mind may change.
From my experience with both the Terminator brakes and the MBM brakes, I feel like the case with MBM is one of the rare cases where "Cheap" and "Quality" are synonymous. I like the aesthetics of the Terminator brakes, and use both, but considering comments like the one above about a good company ran by a solid American manufacturer, my mind may change.
cohunt
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if you are on a phone/app the sig. lines dont show
so here is the MBM sig line/info
www.muzzlebrakesandmore.com
Beast series 1 piece brakes from .670" to 1.235" in 3, 4, and 5 ports. I also have 3 and 4 port Lil Beast self timed 9/16x24 brakes and Beast self timed 5/8x24 brakes in 3, 4, and 5 ports.
3, 4, and 5 port titanium Ti Beast brakes as well.
Here is a link to my test videos on YouTube.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCfCk0LiY1gwB-BIdTYWdhcQ/videos
new2mud
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Ha--good to know! I know I personally am guilty more than once or twice to overlook what's in front of me.
