Brass much thicker right by neck?

Well, this thread has almost deteriorated to a name calling thread...

greenejc said:

Mine is a vibratory brass cleaner. I use the lyman brass cleaning solution. I leave them in for about 2 hours, and check to see how clean they've gotten. I'm not looking for shin brass, just clean brass. About two to three cap fulls puts enough into the media to assist in cleaning.

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I'm not looking for shiny brass, either. It doesn't shoot any better when it's shiny than it does when it looks dull. I just want it to be clean enough to load without scratching up the inside of my dies and the rifle's chamber. If somebody wants it to be pretty, that's OK - but it looks like going after brass that looks like jewelry has its pitfalls.

The Oregonian said:

I anneal with AMP after each firing, don't turn necks, and use STM tumbling for 4 hours.
Case length is still within spec, about 2.575 to 2.580 so i haven't trimmed yet.
I have been hand loading for about 4 years, self taught from watching videos, reading here, and reading articles.

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Above in red is the OP problem, he tumbled for 4 hours and has not trimmed his cases. And if he had Googled case mouth peeding he would not have had to ask his question here.

And anyone with wet tumbling experience has had the same problem and found the cure.

What irks me is someone that doesn't have a wet tumbler is handing out advice and acting like a expert on wet tumbling. I wore out three vibratory tumblers before getting my STM wet tumbler and use both type tumblers.

And Jerry Miculek is a world class shooter and uses a cement mixer and walnut media to tumble his cases and trims the cases after tumbling.

I like the way he does it . But I don't have a concrete mixer, and I wish I could get someone to sponsor me to shoot thousands of rounds. I really like Jerry. He's a good guy and very down to earth. By the way, like Quigley and the Colts revolver, I never said i didn't know how to use one. Just said I didn't need one. When I was much younger and much poorer I used a rock polishing tumbler and walnut and some chemicals that my older brother made up in a lab at his university to do this. I just don't need to use one of the liquid media tumblers to clean my brass. I don't have the facilities to shoot the thousands of rounds that would justify it, and I'm cheap. I do use on occasion a water bath to clean the dirt from range brass, and a toaster oven to dry it. Like I said, I started doing this stuff in 1966 or so. And then I spent 20 years in the Infantry teaching marksmanship with everything they had (and still have). While I was doing that, I continued to reload and hit the POF range at least three times a month. I have fired and reloaded many thousands of both pistol and rifle rounds from .223 Rem up through 50-90 Sharps. I actually do know my stuff. Which is why I agree with you as to what this gentleman's problem is. He's tumbling his brass and not trimming it back to the trim-to length. But thanks for the vote of confidence.