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I think you missed my point. I keep seeing people bragging how great their whatever caliber is and check to see it's not much if any different from what they are putting down. So I was wondering how does the same bullet, going the same speed, have an advantage from one to another cartridge? It was hypothetical.
Ok, its hypothetical. But if the bullet is the same and the velocity is the same, the performance is the same. The reason the 30-06 outperforms the 308 is because it launches the same bullet 100 to 200 fps faster. This means a performance boost at your game animal of 300 to 400 ftlbs, which means a larger, deeper, more incapacitating wound channel. The object of these two rounds is to kill big game effectively, without having to trail the animal into the next county. I wouldn't and don't load my 30-06 to the lower performance and velocities of the .308. I'm old and I don't like blood trailing game if I can avoid it. As a matter of fact, most of my deer hunting for the last several years has been with a .35 Whelen using Sierra 225 grain Gamekings at a nominal velocity of 2725 fps and the Speer 250 grain Hotcor at a nominal velocity of 2670 fps, as measured by a Chrony chronograph 10 ft from the muzzle. Exit wounds tend to be the size of a silver dollar through the hide at distances of 450 yards. My 30-06 and my 300 winmag are back-up rifles should I damage the .35 by falling on the scope or something. (which I have done at one time or another.) I have on several occasions hit a deer high in the chest at distance, and had the impact of the bullet break the spine while passing under it by 5 or 6 inches. Both bullets make large wound channels (357 Magnum at the muzzle wound channels) at over 400 yards, cause massive blood loss, and cause the lungs to collapse due to the large exit wounds. I blood trail most deer about 3 feet. That's where the impact throws them.
Sure it can. So can a .300 winmag, the 6.5 Creedmoor, the 30-06 and several others, as long as the bullet will keep its stability after it goes sub-sonic. The 45-70 can hit a target at 1500 yards. But which one will kill something effectively at that distance? I'd bet the 405 grain or 450 grain 45-70 with a starting mv of around 1750 fps would be the one that would be most effective simply due to weight and mass. The army tested that round with a 500 grain bullet at Creedmoor New York in 1872 or there abouts, and it would penetrate 9 inches of pine at 2,000 yards. It has a starting mv of around 1300 fps using 70 grains of black powder. They were using this round to study the effects of plunging fire. Also, I'm not going to shoot at an elk at 1500 yards with anything. I don't like feeding the coyotes, and I don't like tracking poorly hit game. I really like filling the freezer though, so I shoot at ranges where I am pretty sure I can get a round into the vitals and have enough velocity for the round to be able to mushroom and do its job. At 1500 yards, most of the .308 rounds would pencil in, and probably not exit on an elk. Then it runs, and dies two days later in the next county.
You're probably close, but I'd bet on the 30-30 as the one which has gotten the most game, with the -06 a close second. There have been many a deer killed by a winchester or marlin 30-30 using 170 grain flatnose bullets all over the eastern and midwestern US. I killed my first deer with a Winchester 30-30 in Black Canyon Utah in 1969.
You realize this is a LONG RANGE HUNTING forum, right? It's not just a hunting forum...
I agree the 30-06 is great gun but you're dreaming if you don't think the 6.5 creedmoor is a good hunting round, your not in touch with reality.
WHAAATT? Why do you have such a close-minded outlook? If the 243, 257Roberts, 250-3000, 708, 260, 6.5-55 are good enough to hunt with then so is the 6.5C. The Hornady Precision Hunter ammo/bullets do a great job.
Please provide us with the CURRENT definition of "LONG RANGE HUNTING". If possible a couple animals you've taken at that range. Thank you.
If I told you it would make no difference... I don't have videos of it. Not everybody videos or photographs their hunts. As for the definition, that differs from person to person. Most consider 500+ to be long range.
