How not, to use a 6.5 creedmoor

Looked to me like it broke the front shoulder and didn't penetrate. Not saying anything bad about the little 6.5s because I d bet that if the first shot would have gone behind the shoulder it would have been a much shorter and more pleasant video. BUT that is exactly why I like a bigger gun with a good penetrating bullet---for when things don't go perfect! Personally I would just posted a picture of me and a great bull because I would have been to ashamed to let people watch the shooting video.

Mustang72 said:

Looked to me like it broke the front shoulder and didn't penetrate. Not saying anything bad about the little 6.5s because I d bet that if the first shot would have gone behind the shoulder it would have been a much shorter and more pleasant video. BUT that is exactly why I like a bigger gun with a good penetrating bullet---for when things don't go perfect! Personally I would just posted a picture of me and a great bull because I would have been to ashamed to let people watch the shooting video.

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Or at least edited out the limping around and the missed 2nd and 3rd shots or whatever and just showed the kill shot. The guys in the video are idiots - they kept saying the first shot made him goofy and he should tip over dead any minute. If they had put it behind the should that is exactly what would have happened. I think it is safe to say their bullet choice was inadequate for the shot placement.

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So are you saying the hit could have been a quicker fatality shot if it had penetrated? This is the exact reason I use the rifle I do. I would expect my .338 RUM (or Edge) to penetrate that shoulder. Just as it has on more than one occasion, and at ranges a lot further. I don't know if it were an errant shot or if that's where he intended, but if he hit where I think he did then you are gonna have a hard time telling me that my selection of cartridge and bullet won't make a difference. That was probably a marginal/bad hit with his gear, but not with mine.

Edited: we all know that a well placed bullet (about any from about any cartridge) will kill, it's worst case that I think about. A bigger cartridge-better bullet might not kill them any deader, but it might actually kill them.
Just teasing guys!

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I'm saying he made a errant shot with what he chose as a cartridge. With what he was using, he needed to be right behind the shoulder and hit no bone which I bet was where he was aiming. As we can see with his other shots, I do not believe that where he hit was where he was intending to put that first shot.

And I fully agree with your choice of cartridge. I use a 300 win mag now. My kid took down a cow elk at 500 yards with a 6.5 Sherman and 140 Gr Berger but it's going 3205 fps on average. That's a different ball game than a creedmoor. But even then we practiced long and hard and I preached over and over to get as steady as he could possibly get always and to put it behind the shoulder. And he did it. But he was proned out with a bipod and rear rest.

So it could technically have been done with the caliber and cartridge he chose but The shooter obviously was not up to the task.

Now personally speaking, I don't really understand why someone would buy a 6.5 creedmoor to take Elk hunting at over 400 yards when you can buy a 7mm mag or bigger, put a brake on it and wear some hearing protection.

I'm not judging those who don't do what I said but maybe someone could explain that to me.

And also, I actually like videos like this for discussion (not ethically) but intelligent discussion on equipment used. Why to use and why not to use and what others would use. It's a good learning experience for a lot of people that come on here.

An intelligent discussion about this video may save someone a lot of heartache in future hunts.

Hit my bull last year in the same spot as this guys first shot. 300 Win Mag and a 215 Berger at 625 yds. Blew the elbow bone apart and opened up the chest cavity. He did require a follow up shot but he didn't go far before he bedded down. Maybe 50 yds after the first hit. I'll be the first to admit I probably should of passed on the shot. -32C off of primo tripod shooting sticks. I practice out to 500 yds but the cold, all the clothes and some adrenaline and I messed up. Couldn't use my bipod as there was to much grass and snow. It does happen and I'm sure glad I wasn't under gunned.

That sounds like a great thread of its own!

You can see that bull was obviously hurt pretty bad. That bullet did more than break the lower shoulder. He hunched up a little at the hit. If he had only a broken shoulder he could have covered some country in short order on three legs. My guess is that bullet or a piece of it penetrated the chest cavity and did some damage.

IMO, poor shooting and under gunned for the range. A Creedmore has less powder capacity than a 243. I have a friend, an older old school kinda of a guy with a lot of hunting experience. He has taken 4 bulls with a 243, but at much closer ranges and he knows where to put the bullet.

I would shoot a bull with a 6.5 if I didn't have anything bigger to shoot it with but I would have never attempted that shot with CM at that range. 200-300 yds max under good conditions... and he did have a perfect broadside.

What's done is done and hopefully these boys learned something... but I'm not so sure they have?

They didn't learn jack chit! They don't even know enough to be embarrassed.

I will say it, this is why it shouldn't be on TV.
You don't see the hours those guys practice, you don't own a gun company, you don't get to practice as much as them or hunt as much, let alone I don't care how magical is 6.5 creedmoor is or how the sectional density of a 140 grain 6.5 bullet is equal to a 190 grain Sierra match King 30 caliber bullet. 600 yd is a poke for a 6.5 creedmoor on a bull.
I have watched them suck up some lead 4 shoots at 380 yards 300 weatherby 200 grain nosler PT and the first and second didn't even affect or altar his course the third one broke the offside shoulder The fourth one broke the other shoulder and he fell.
This video's a good lesson on what you probably shouldn't do and know your limitations. Need to quit watching long range hunting infomercials.

I just don't know why people defend the creedmoor for this type of hunting. It's a A&P thing. Higher bone density needs more umph to get through it. Barely making it through isn't the qualifying factor in my mind.
Even with bows, there's a max poundage that is needed for big game...especially for elk. There's no rule that suggest that you can't use a proportional cartridge to the type of game your shooting at said distance.

Bigger is better...change my mind.

Do you guys even hunt? These threads are great for pointing out the guys that don't have a clue.

Clifflopez said:

Do you guys even hunt? These threads are great for pointing out the guys that don't have a clue.

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These threads are good for emphasizing the need to know limitations of rifle and shooter and the importance of good marksmanship and hunting practices

Clifflopez said:

Do you guys even hunt? These threads are great for pointing out the guys that don't have a clue.

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Could you elaborate on this?