Ok I am not a big fan of the 6.5 Creedmore

Jared2700 said:

Liked your post. The one you responded to earlier was supposed to say look at the energy at a 1000 yard. The 270 was over 1000 FPE the 6.5 creedmoor was 800 FPE about something like that at 1000 yards. The 270 would be the better killer at that range. Not that it wouldn't take more elevation and more wind. But the kill power was much better.

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Without a doubt. Hence heavier bullets in front of more powder. The good BC of the bullet helps as well

So I have 6.5C and the 270w both 22" barrels. They are near identical. Both IMO are deadly on any antlered species to 750. I would go 800 on my HL 270w. Using factory loads on 6.5 650yds is 1759v 976e very border line.
270w with 150gr VLD handload @2925 RL 26 has @ 750yds vel 1774 energy 1048 MOA 15.7
6.5 Creed my best handload 143ELDX @ 2848 RL26 @750yds vel 1831 energy 1065 MOA 15.6
6.5 creed with factory 142 ABLR @2675 @750yds vel 1640 energy 849 MOA 18.7

coop2564 said:

So I have 6.5C and the 270w both 22" barrels. They are near identical. Both IMO are deadly on any antlered species to 750. I would go 800 on my HL 270w. Using factory loads on 6.5 650yds is 1759v 976e very border line.
270w with 150gr VLD handload @2925 RL 26 has @ 750yds vel 1774 energy 1048 MOA 15.7
6.5 Creed my best handload 143ELDX @ 2848 RL26 @750yds vel 1831 energy 1065 MOA 15.6
6.5 creed with factory 142 ABLR @2675 @750yds vel 1640 energy 849 MOA 18.7

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like your reply to the forum.

VLD Pilot said:

Seems like those are old rules. They need to see the performance facts on todays .28 caliber cartridges. Most of them out perform most of the 30s.

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They do because of the radius and drag. More ammo manufacturers are starting to come out with higher bc for 28.

JimmyCP said:

They do because of the radius and drag. More ammo manufacturers are starting to come out with higher bc for 28.

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It think it would bet it would do a better job the even the 6.5's possible. Hope the manufacturers will step it up in B.C.. God bless the USA.

JimmyCP said:

They do because of the radius and drag. More ammo manufacturers are starting to come out with higher bc for 28.

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I've been out shooting the 30 caliber bullets for years with .284 bullets in terms of BC values. It's the ranch rules so if you want to hunt it, you follow the rules. I suppose it's a fair rule in terms of bullet weight for game. Bison aren't deer or elk. They are solid heavy boned animals. The 30s offer pretty heavy bullets compared to the .284s. I would say that the 195s would be an awesome bullet for a bison pushed by at least a 7mm mag.

JimmyCP said:

They do because of the radius and drag. More ammo manufacturers are starting to come out with higher bc for 28.

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Lol apples to apples and apples to oranges. There all boom sticks with projectiles.

On all my hand loads my in the .264 140grn round the creed is the slowest, 6.5 x284 300-400 fps faster than creed 264 win mag 400-500 fps faster than 6.5x284.
It would be easy to say the 264 win mag out performs most rifles out there but I wouldn't do that because it's not always my go to.
I have two 6.5 x284 that both use different powders to get the same velocity. One retumbo and the other h1000.
I have found most manufactured bullets get 200 to 300 fps slower than actually advertise even in my 26-28 in barrels. I also noticed 20-even 50 fps between shots out of the same box with total barrel cool down. 6.5 300 wetherby ammo from wetherby was the worse.

Any caliber has its sweet spot especially in the 6.5 or .264 what ever you want to go by, when the velocity of the smaller caliber will have more energy at a paticular range than a bigger heavier caliber. I think it's funny when someone post my 6.5 will beat your 270 at 500 yards.
My 264 win mag 140 grn has as much energy as my 300 win mag with a 180 grn at 800 yards. Is it better or as good as my 300?

If your going off of the ballistics released off the bullet manufacturer website or what's on the box stick to 600 yards or less. If your shooting over 600, you better have a decent chrono and good dope for elevation, temp and shot placement.

It's a mute argument and the only reason I read these post is for entertainment.

VLD Pilot said:

I've been out shooting the 30 caliber bullets for years with .284 bullets in terms of BC values. It's the ranch rules so if you want to hunt it, you follow the rules. I suppose it's a fair rule in terms of bullet weight for game. Bison aren't deer or elk. They are solid heavy boned animals. The 30s offer pretty heavy bullets compared to the .284s. I would say that the 195s would be an awesome bullet for a bison pushed by at least a 7mm mag.

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I agree, my 7mm still get some shooting time. But the old ruger with the low comb on the stock kicks like a mule. Time for a muzzle break or new stock when I rebarrel it

JimmyCP said:

Lol apples to apples and apples to oranges. There all boom sticks with projectiles.

On all my hand loads my in the .264 140grn round the creed is the slowest, 6.5 x284 300-400 fps faster than creed 264 win mag 400-500 fps faster than 6.5x284.
It would be easy to say the 264 win mag out performs most rifles out there but I wouldn't do that because it's not always my go to.
I have two 6.5 x284 that both use different powders to get the same velocity. One retumbo and the other h1000.
I have found most manufactured bullets get 200 to 300 fps slower than actually advertise even in my 26-28 in barrels. I also noticed 20-even 50 fps between shots out of the same box with total barrel cool down. 6.5 300 wetherby ammo from wetherby was the worse.

Any caliber has its sweet spot especially in the 6.5 or .264 what ever you want to go by, when the velocity of the smaller caliber will have more energy at a paticular range than a bigger heavier caliber. I think it's funny when someone post my 6.5 will beat your 270 at 500 yards.
My 264 win mag 140 grn has as much energy as my 300 win mag with a 180 grn at 800 yards. Is it better or as good as my 300?

If your going off of the ballistics released off the bullet manufacturer website or what's on the box stick to 600 yards or less. If your shooting over 600, you better have a decent chrono and good dope for elevation, temp and shot placement.

It's a mute argument and the only reason I read these post is for entertainment.

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I have two 264 mags. I also just built a 6.5-06. I really like the 6.5 I don't own a 6.5 creedmoor. But I may sometime just for long range cheap plinking.

JimmyCP said:

I agree, my 7mm still get some shooting time. But the old ruger with the low comb on the stock kicks like a mule. Time for a muzzle break or new stock when I rebarrel it

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Free float the barrel will usually take care of the problem. It changes the angle of the rifle to deflect some of your kick. Action and barrel change position. Try it and I'll bet it does wonders for your rifles kick. Did with a bunch of rifles I've done this to. Hope it helps. God bless the USA!!!

Jared2700 said:

Free float the barrel will usually take care of the problem. It changes the angle of the rifle to deflect some of your kick. Action and barrel change position. Try it and I'll bet it does wonders for your rifles kick. Did with a bunch of rifles I've done this to. Hope it helps. God bless the USA!!!

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Knocked down the tang, free floated and glassed. The top of the stock comes down so low all the energy pops you in the top 2 inches of the stock. It helps with the free float and everything else I did with it but it still eats into you more than the 300 ultra. My dad told me to chop it up after I talked him into shooting it a second time. Time for an updated stock and new barrel with a muzzle break. Barrel is long over due.

Its probably not any better than your 300 Mag but with today's bullets sure isn't far off. Many of the high bc bullets for the 6.5 or 7mm on paper show outstanding performance at 1000-1500 yards. Many also think that those written numbers mean something. They don't. Get in some wind at 1200-1500 yards with a 195 in a 28 Nosler and those high bc numbers do not mean a thing. The same BC of a 300 grain bullet out of a .338 will out perform the 195 in wind significantly better just from the weight. The extra speeds of the 195 won't help. Weight wins at those very long ranges. Those numbers are irrelevant.

JimmyCP said:

Lol apples to apples and apples to oranges. There all boom sticks with projectiles.

On all my hand loads my in the .264 140grn round the creed is the slowest, 6.5 x284 300-400 fps faster than creed 264 win mag 400-500 fps faster than 6.5x284.
It would be easy to say the 264 win mag out performs most rifles out there but I wouldn't do that because it's not always my go to.
I have two 6.5 x284 that both use different powders to get the same velocity. One retumbo and the other h1000.
I have found most manufactured bullets get 200 to 300 fps slower than actually advertise even in my 26-28 in barrels. I also noticed 20-even 50 fps between shots out of the same box with total barrel cool down. 6.5 300 wetherby ammo from wetherby was the worse.

Any caliber has its sweet spot especially in the 6.5 or .264 what ever you want to go by, when the velocity of the smaller caliber will have more energy at a paticular range than a bigger heavier caliber. I think it's funny when someone post my 6.5 will beat your 270 at 500 yards.
My 264 win mag 140 grn has as much energy as my 300 win mag with a 180 grn at 800 yards. Is it better or as good as my 300?

If your going off of the ballistics released off the bullet manufacturer website or what's on the box stick to 600 yards or less. If your shooting over 600, you better have a decent chrono and good dope for elevation, temp and shot placement.

It's a mute argument and the only reason I read these post is for entertainment.

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JimmyCP said:

Knocked down the tang, free floated and glassed. The top of the stock comes down so low all the energy pops you in the top 2 inches of the stock. It helps with the free float and everything else I did with it but it still eats into you more than the 300 ultra. My dad told me to chop it up after I talked him into shooting it a second time. Time for an updated stock and new barrel with a muzzle break. Barrel is long over due.

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To bad you weren't closer I'd do the work on you muzzle brake. Thread the barrel ECT.

Actually a 270 Win will out perform a creedmoor at 500 yards with more energy and 4" flatter trajectory but, the creedmoor has a selection of bullets with a higher sectional density and ballistic coefficient is high. However it was developed in 2007 mainly as a shooting competition rifle and like the 270 will work great on medium sized game such as antelope and deer , and if you are a great shot and capable will work for elk . But why not just use a .300 caliber and forget it . Actually speaking my next rifle will probably be a Weatherby .270 .300
For that matter why not go with the 6.5-300 weatherby .