Not apples to apples though.
Ok I am not a big fan of the 6.5 Creedmore
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Tidus56
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The best BC .277 verse not the best .264 doesn't feel like a great comparison to me.
Throw in the Sierra 150 matchking and it will change the numbers again. Throw in reload data and it changes again and on and on and on. You can make the numbers meet your needs with just a bit of manipulation.
Throw in the Sierra 150 matchking and it will change the numbers again. Throw in reload data and it changes again and on and on and on. You can make the numbers meet your needs with just a bit of manipulation.
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But that like trying to say they both need to have to have the same B.C. and S.D., and then the 270 Winchester would be the winner because it is shooting faster. If comparing cartridges then because the 270 Winchester holds more powder and can shoot a larger bullet at greater speed then the 6.5 creedmoor. Then the 270 Winchester is odviously the better cartridge. Or we could try to say anything with larger bullet should be directly compared at 130gr. Bullet. Which none of them offer a higher B.C. do to their size so the 6.5 creedmoor must be the winner. Even though it in reality is not better. That is why bigger cartridge were formed in the first place. In this case a bigger bullet is better, with higher weight because then the B.C. goes way up. That means less wind deflection. And makes it float through the air with less resistance. There fore higher B.C. are not slowing down at longer ranges, like lower B.C. bullets are. If that doesn't make sense to you nothing will. I happen to like the 6.5 caliber. I have three gun that use this bullet. And they all shoot it faster then the 6.5 creedmoor. One of them uses the same parent case as the 270 Winchester, being the 6.5-06 so let's compare 130 gr. in that use the same B.C. and S.D. who has the better round? I do... That would be a better comparison right. That takes out all the factors. Except how much powder my necked down 270. Winchester cartridge holds. Which intern makes my round more capable. Hope that makes sense to you now what real and what's not.
VLD Pilot
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Not true. I'm done beating this up BUT here's a fast 6.5 Creedmoor with the 150 SMKs vs 270 win with 170 Berger's. This is your comparison going heaviest in both classes. The 6.5 has many more excellent bullet choices for LR work whether hunting or ringing steel. It's definitely a BC game beyond 500 yards. Unfortunately the .277 doesn't have but maybe 2-3 decent ones. In this case tho comparing a Long action cartridge to the 6.5 wasn't a great idea. The extra powder and one good BC bullet does win this battle. I would have to take to 6.5 Creedmoor for LR shooting if I had to choose one of these. Easier to shoot, better bullets and cheaper in the long run. More accurate as well.
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VLD Pilot
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The 6.5/06 wins hands down to the .270 win without a doubt. Regardless of bullet weights.
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Manipulation is a good point. Data changes when loads change. Bullets and powders make a difference but so does barrel length. Also as was said, doing a fair comparison if doing a factory gun comparison, it is true that the .270 factory barrels are 10 twist not allowing the 170s to make range before instability occurs. Guessing it may even happen at 100 yards. The charts look good but in reality, the 170 wouldn't make the 500 yard line with those numbers.
jreagle
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looks like a highly debated topic...….
in the end it is just another 6.5mm cartridge to load up and shoot.
in the end it is just another 6.5mm cartridge to load up and shoot.
wbm
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Yep.
Need some Gas-x for all the "expert" bloviators on these ridiculous threads.
Need some Gas-x for all the "expert" bloviators on these ridiculous threads.
I have been loath to jump into "another" 6.5CM bashing thread, but I was intrigued by this thought provoking post. I own a 6.5CM, mainly driven by buying a Ruger PR when introduced to try out the PRS game. It seemed to be a better fit over the other cartridge options available for this rifle. As a result, I personally like the 6.5CM, and have seen it serve many competitors and hunters very well when used within its capability range. It's simply a new entry to the market which I think we should applaud. I've struggled to understand all the consternation. IMO, all the horses have repeatedly been beaten to death since the introduction of the 6.5CM, but the beating goes on. What takes the cake, and makes me think that the quoted post above is has merit, is bringing the putrid liberal tactic of "identity politics" into our sport by referring to users of the 6.5CM wearing man buns, etc,etc. While it's surely intended to be comical, IMO, it reeks of the liberal neurosis that plagues our society. I have always hoped that "our" crowd was above this manipulative tactic. If we don't welcome ALL people to our sport, it will eventually die.
No, I don't have a man bun but know some very skilled shooters and hunters that use a myriad of different cartridges, that do.
Just some thoughts.....
VLD Pilot
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Lots of words for this but "bloviators" isn't one. Ridiculous thread ? Maybe you should be on a knitting thread. Dull tools so you don't hurt yourself. These forums prompt alot of these debates. There healthy and in the end it's all good. It's the guys that come into them with nothing to share except throwing out ignorant names they look up in Google to sound like they might have some intellect. You don't. Add to the thread or go throw fuel in another forum. We all agree or agree to disagree. One thing we all have in common is we shoot and have opinions.
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As a recent purchaser of a 6.5cm barrel (now attached to a Savage 10 action) I must say so far I'm impressed with shooting it out to 400 yards. This thing just flat out shoots well. Every factory load I have tried has been under .75MOA and most under .5MOA....and yes these are 5 shot groups and repeatable. A few were even in the .2 MOA range. Maybe I just got a lucky barrel. I cant wait to see what it does with my reloads.
All of that said...would I shoot anything larger than a deer with this rifle...only if there were no other larger caliber options at my disposal. Would I shoot deer at 500 yards with this...yes but only if conditions were right and I trusted myself making a good hit. To me, the 6.5CM is a perfect hunting cartridge for the general public hunting whitetail sized game and smaller. 99% of hunters are inside 400 yards and id bet inside 300 yards with 200 yards and less being typical for 90% of hunters. It is a low recoil rifle which with modern day bullets will easily kill deer out to the yardages I mentioned above. Is a 3006 a better choice, well that is up to the shooter. I personally doubt I will ever carry my 3006 or 7mm rem mag into where I hunt again because all of my shots are inside 400 yards with 99% being under 250 yards so the family owned 7mm-08 or the 6.5CM will be the go to rifles depending on what my wife chooses to hunt with (I will use the other rifle haha). Light weight and little recoil are just too good to pass up for how we hunt.
All of that said...would I shoot anything larger than a deer with this rifle...only if there were no other larger caliber options at my disposal. Would I shoot deer at 500 yards with this...yes but only if conditions were right and I trusted myself making a good hit. To me, the 6.5CM is a perfect hunting cartridge for the general public hunting whitetail sized game and smaller. 99% of hunters are inside 400 yards and id bet inside 300 yards with 200 yards and less being typical for 90% of hunters. It is a low recoil rifle which with modern day bullets will easily kill deer out to the yardages I mentioned above. Is a 3006 a better choice, well that is up to the shooter. I personally doubt I will ever carry my 3006 or 7mm rem mag into where I hunt again because all of my shots are inside 400 yards with 99% being under 250 yards so the family owned 7mm-08 or the 6.5CM will be the go to rifles depending on what my wife chooses to hunt with (I will use the other rifle haha). Light weight and little recoil are just too good to pass up for how we hunt.
VLD Pilot
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Many of the shooting forums are full of shooters that are very proficient with rifles. Shot placement is everything. Your choice will get the job done with the right bullet put in the right place. Some others may get there faster and hit harder but if placed where it needs to be, the animal is just as dead
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Don't you understand that the 270 has more foot pounds of energy which makes it better at a 1000 yards. Look at your own charts. Lol.
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VLD Pilot
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Was only responding to the thread that the 6.5 creedmoor does not out perform the .270 at 500 yards when all things are equal. I don't consider the same bullet weight for each cartridge equal. Some obviously do. With some bullets, the 6.5 offers better energy and velocity. At some point beyond certain ranges it also outperforms it. Just not in every case. I think the word better is subjective. Better for what at 100 yards ? We all know a deer shot thru both lungs is a dead deer. I guess i was making the point that the creedmoor isn't the super hero many think it is. The 6.5 Grendel is an awesome round for it's size as well. The 6.5 Creedmoor sits between it and the .260. Was designed to be a little shorter with a longer neck to fit in magazine fed rifles without restriction. It's an accurate round with limitations like most. That's hard for some to hear but it is what it is.
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