Recently overcame accuracy problem (rem 700)

25WSM said:

I've been smithing for over 30 years and specialize in remington 700s. Doesn't take much to get them shooting great. They are easily capable of 1/2 moa.... . ... Good luck Shep

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I didn't start smithing till I retired after 34 years as an engineer, but I agree with you on all counts. I like to call the 700 a diamond in the rough. A little polish and TLC and they will all shoot. I really like the new Trigger Tech line of zero creep triggers. They feel every bit as nice as the Jewell. I have found a few H&S stocks with the aluminum bedding blocks that produced flyers and/or double groups and needed bedding too. The semi V-block design doesn't always work as well as it could. Lately, I have run into a few 700s that had bad bolt timing or too much bolt slop. I don't like retiming the bolt but either way a PTG replacement bolt and re-headspacing fixes those issues too. With a little work, sub 1/2 MOA 5 shot groups are the norm for the Rem 700 and 1/4 is doable with a custom barrel.

No my 3 is not a world record, that is well under 3 inches for ten shots. Matt and Ed hold the 1000 yd records for heavy gun and light gun. Williamsport shoots 10 shots for both classes. Other shoots only do 5 for light gun. That record is under 2 inches. Not bad for barrels that get ruined by jb. It's used by nearly every shooter at the world championship at Kebleys also. By the way those 6ppc barrels are replaced at about 1200 rds because they can't shoot 5 shots into a tenth of an inch no more. Not because they are wore out. Those barrels still shoot in the 2s but can't win anymore hardly ruined. Shep

Jack R Tishue Jr said:

when cleaning modern smokeless power, don't really need to clean at all for periods of time. Brushes not good, as can scratch the barrel, even if bronze. If trying to get some copper out use One Shot. squirt it down the barrel, ... I grew up with a patch or so dipped in Hoppe's 9, and run through and dried was all anyone did. NO ONE broke in a barrel. This a fairly new phonomenen and agree it seems to do some good. Just like Dave (Tubb) cleaning up bullets..., but evidently they work. At the most , I would run a Hoppe's patch down the barrel followed by a couple of dry ones, to get the little bit of soot out, but that would be it.

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One point not mentioned:

Fifty (50) years ago, the stainless steel (SST) barrel was a rarity.

But from a metallurgy perspective the SST and chrome molly barrels of today are vastly different - hence they require a different protocol of care, than the typical black barrels of the past.

Just take a look at the difference in the grain structure of STT as seen under an electron microscope to be sure that a different degree of care is absolutely necessary. And this is why I believe that dry molly ( Molybdenum Disulfide ) is an important lubricant for all shooters. I've long used the powder...not the sprays.

And so today - we can not generally depend on a manufacturer to provide a greater degree of careful manufacturing care, i.e. a greater infusion of labor into the final product - because the sale price could quickly become prohibitive.

CanardNoir said:

........ Just take a look at the difference in the grain structure of STT as seen under an electron microscope to be sure that..... this is why I believe that dry molly ( Molybdenum Disulfide ) is an important lubricant for all shooters. I've long used the powder...not the sprays.

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While I agree that metals have changed a great deal over time, I expect we will have to agree to disagree about the use of Moly or moly coated bullets in a barrel. As you have correctly stated, Moly is not a solvent or a cleaner. It's a low friction lubricant. Lots of great shooters use it religiously to very good effect. So I am not gunna bash it. However, it is important to know that moly is almost impossible to get out once it's in there so it's a bit of a one-way trip. I don't recommend that my clients use it nor do I recommend against it. I simply say that it's a choice they can make. But if they make the choice to use it, then I do recommend that they stick with that choice for the future too.

Personally, I choose not to use it.

I don't want to get into a debate about it. I just raise the point so that other readers are aware that they need to do their own research and decide for themselves.