entoptics
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Heh. Depending on the jurisdiction, the "plus taxes" is probably more than my rifle cost originally.
Different strokes and all...
New at long range shooting, what would be considered an acceptional group at 800-1000yds?
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Different strokes and all...
Beaver10
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And how does your rifle shoot for the prices of tax dollars?
trebark
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As an earlier post explained, your 800yard group shows low vertical dispersion. This means you are likely getting similar velocities from shot to shot (this is excellent). The horizontal dispersion is on you. Those are wind-call errors. Learning to call the wind is probably the most difficult thing to master in longrange shooting.
woodnut
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Truk505, I missed(?) what cartridge you shot? Didn't say what scope you have either. You sound like a guy with great natural abilities to do this. To help you figure ranges, holdovers, there's some good apps out there. I recommend you zero at 100. Not an inch or so high, but dead on. Have a scope you can dial and return to zero. Then shoot what the app says and prove it. Sometimes, really, quite often, I find adjustments to the apps holdovers necessary. That's especially true when elevations are different from what you entered originally.
Truk505
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I'm shooting 168gr bergers out of a 7rem mag and have a Swaro X5i for a scope. I do a lot of shooting at 100yds while doing load development I just don't shoot past that very often. I've taken big game out to just over 500yds but most are 200-300yd shots, that's why I zero at 200yds.
I need a better chronograph I think, that would help with programming my ballistics as well. My chrono showed 110fps difference in my shots while shooting at 100yds but they kept getting faster and faster as I shot so that might have been my barrel breaking in still? Not sure.
Myself will not shoot that far. Respect game that much. All rifles will exceed shooters am bitcoin. Stalk it and take a responsible shot. My take on it.
CanardNoir
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Under nominal conditions, the 10" steel plate is the standard at the 1,000 yard line - because the wind and/or vertical thermals at that distance when actually afield, is simply an unknowable variable to the shooter at the moment the trigger is squeezed!
You're First trying to build a general amount of confidence in the rifle you're shooting at 800-1,000 yards. Then when you travel above 3-5,000' to actually hunt, the whole atmospheric game for your previously-understood ballistics - changes.
When I hunted out West every year during the '70s & '80s - we always included a day at the range near Cheyenne, Wy. to ballisticlly recalibrate our brains and our rifles, including a break for lunch which helped to simulate the ever-changing weather conditions from morning to evening. Because, if you don't live there, every distance appears different from your norm. Though today, the laser rangefinder is your best crutch...
You're First trying to build a general amount of confidence in the rifle you're shooting at 800-1,000 yards. Then when you travel above 3-5,000' to actually hunt, the whole atmospheric game for your previously-understood ballistics - changes.
When I hunted out West every year during the '70s & '80s - we always included a day at the range near Cheyenne, Wy. to ballisticlly recalibrate our brains and our rifles, including a break for lunch which helped to simulate the ever-changing weather conditions from morning to evening. Because, if you don't live there, every distance appears different from your norm. Though today, the laser rangefinder is your best crutch...
CanardNoir
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BTW - back in the day, the smartest and best ballistician I ever knew, worked for NASA! And he confirmed and understood the pattern-of-flight for a given round, well before he ever squeezed the trigger...
He view trajectory within what mathematicians call "X-Y-Z space" i.e. both the vertical and horizontal dimensions, in addition to distance.
And to paraphrase his typical opening remarks to new shooters: "Ballistics are not linear functions...and this (shooting) isn't a straight-line game...and sometimes, it can seem more like - lobbing hand-grenades..."
He view trajectory within what mathematicians call "X-Y-Z space" i.e. both the vertical and horizontal dimensions, in addition to distance.
And to paraphrase his typical opening remarks to new shooters: "Ballistics are not linear functions...and this (shooting) isn't a straight-line game...and sometimes, it can seem more like - lobbing hand-grenades..."
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bigngreen
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You realize you are on a Long Range Hunting forum, it's kinda what we do!!
We respect the game enough to put the work in to make one precision shot from the best position possible based on the animal and conditions and not let range dictate if a shot.
theosmithjr
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You stated that you're NEW to the sport of Long Range Shooting, so I'll be brief. If you can hit your Target at 1000 yards, you're doing good, GREAT infact! If you can GROUP a 5 shot string 12 inches, you're DOING ABOVE AVERAGE! WAY, WAY ABOVE AVERAGE! IF YOU CAN DO THAT CONSISTENTLY DAY IN and DAY OUT IN ANY WEATHER CONDITION, YOU'RE A MASTER! ALSO, IF you can do that; WHERE DO I SIGN UP FOR LESSONS?
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Truk505
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I do a lot of shooting, I've also been a guide for nearly 20 years, I just haven't done much shooting out past 500yds. I have done a bit out to 800yds before but that was just to verify the verticals on my Zeiss rapid z 800 reticles. I guess it's all part of the evolution of my interests.
ncwg2boatguy
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MOA would be exceptional at that range.
CanardNoir
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But at Camp Perry, with open sights, a single hit is a frequent occurrence !
theosmithjr
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No Worries! But out at 800, 1000, 1500, and 1760 and BEYOND is where The BIG BOYS PLAY! NO ROOM for ********! ONLY FACTS and FIGURES! FACTS and FIGURES!
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