6.5 Creedmor- the Holy Grail?

jmcmath said:

So to clarify your slam friend has 4 different friends that each lost a Bull this year hit well with a 6.5CM?

Or your friend has personally lost 4 bulls with a creedmoor?

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I asked the same question looking for clarity - never got an answer, but it looks like option 1. So the sheep slam and superslam are irrelavent to the elk running away. Different guy - this is a buddy of a buddy hearsay story.

FIGJAM said:

I asked the same question looking for clarity - never got an answer, but it looks like option 1. So the sheep slam and superslam are irrelavent to the elk running away. Different guy - this is a buddy of a buddy hearsay story.

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Seems to be our proof that buddy is a straight shooter. But yes for anyone reading this thread it's a guy online said his hunter buddy has buddies that lost elk because of a CM

I know a fella who has killed elk of all subspecies and has at least one of each in the book. That takes time and money hiring guides and such. He is one of the worst shooters and his guides do all the tracking. Some people take all aspects of hunting serious and some just buy it.

Good because I've got a 7mm-08 Encore pistol that I plan to try to kill one with .Didn't say you couldn't do it ..i just said ask yourself if you're comfortable doing it. Which is why I'm using that encore instead of a 44 mag or 357. I want to kill one with a handgun but I'm gonna use all the handgun that I can comfortably shoot. Ha ha
Who's Randy Newburg?

So many variables.

Two people I know bull elk hunted in Az just a few weeks ago. One shot a nice 6 x 6 at 400 yds with a 308 using 150 gr nosler ballistic tips @ 2900 fps. One shot died, right away. The other person shot at a bull at just under 200 yd with his 270 win loaded with 130 nosler ballistic tips (unknown velocity). He lost the elk.
Not the best choice of bullet for either rifle one got the job done the other didn't.

In both instances I would have suggested to the owners of those two rifles to use a heavier premium bullet like the partition.

I guess we will never know the story on those four lost elk. My feeling is the bullet choice was a big factor.

Fariswm: can you find out what those four hunters were using in their 6.5 Creedmoors?

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I don't think I've ever watched a show with him shooting a magnum cartridge. But usually caps out at like 400

Canhunter35 said:

Maybe that it's the bullet choice not the cartridge choice that's affecting terminal performance

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Maybe not too...15+ years ago we didn't have nearly the choice of bullets and I would bet not nearly as many lost animals either.

The HYPE around the Creedgay is definitely making people use it in situations it shouldn't be used in! FACT!

My kids killed 2 cow elk this year using a 6.5 creedmoor, chosen because they could handle the recoil. One elk took 5 bullets and overnight to recover because nosler accubond didn't penetrate through the humerus or scapula. The other took 2 bullets and was dead in less than a minute with an ELD-X. While the ELD-X penetrated better, I will not let my kids hunt elk with a creedmoor anymore because I was very underwhelmed with the performance and wound channels. They will be using a 308 with a very heavy bullet and limit to whatever distance they are comfortable shooting that also has a predicted terminal velocity above 2000 FPS. We will likely use a 210 grain Berger. I personally hunt elk with a 300 win mag or 7 mm but if I owned a 338 that would be my first choice. In the field there will come a time when shot placement is less than perfect. Don't find yourself wishing you had a bigger stronger bullet. Not to say that shot placement isn't first priority, but shoot the largest caliber you are confident with and use a darn tough bullet.

When in doubt make it stout" I Love 6.5mm cartridges. They are all great. From the Grendel, Creed, .260, 6..5 rem mag. 264 win, 6.5/06, 6.5 PRC to the 26 Nosler but If I'm after a trophy I leave them in the safe and grab my Kliengunther 300 Weatherby Mag. Why? Because the furtherst I have ever tracked the 100+ animals I've taken with it is about a foot! DRT! Dead! Deer, Elk, Hogs, Black Bear, Aoudad, Caribou all dead right there! When your out there spending big bucks for a quality hunt I don't ever go Under Gunned.

On a interesting note I was talking with a friend who for the last three years has been hunting with his granddads 30-40 Craig with 220 RN. He is in W WA and shots are fairly close under 250yrds. He told me he cannot believe the wounds he is getting with that.

I have found the same thing this year with the 6.5x55 with 155 Lapua Megas. I have shot 3 whitetail deer with those and holy hell the wounds are unreal and they are drt. One doe tried to run but her front end didn't work so well. I have found the same thing with 220 RN out of the 06. They are all devastating under 300 yrds.

My longest big game kill with the Creed is 486 on a nice Mule deer buck. Bang flop 140 Berger. But I dry fired 3 shots to make sure I was good with my rest first. Everything was right and I sent it. A friend used my rifle on a Mule deer buck at 505 same results, but we took our time to make sure everything was right and we had a tricky wind to play with.

MudRunner2005 said:

To say it was the cartridge's "fault", and to blame an inanimate object is just stupid. We're saying the hunters chose poorly on their cartridge selection for the job. Stop acting indignant over 4 random people's blatant stupidity, and stop acting like by pointing out the obvious flaw in their choice happened to be an undersized cartridge/bullet for the job (apparent based on their outcomes), that it is somehow attacking your "precious" favorite cartridge.

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Easy Mud. its not good for your BP.

I am with you! Although I prefer to hunt deer with a .25-06 or .243, elk are BIG and can absorb a lot of punishment without dropping — at least any time soon. These magnificent animals deserve a quick death without unnecessary suffering. Although I won't pull a trigger on an animal without being reasonably sure of where the bullet will strike, I know "**** happens", be it an unseen branch deflecting a bullet, a sudden gust of wind, or an animal jumping as I shoot. "Enough gun" to me means "enough gun when things don't go exactly as planned". I won't hunt elk with anything smaller than my .300 Weatherby mag and took my last two with a .338/.378 Weatherby. There is also a .375 H&H ready for when I know distances will not be long.

There are two types of rifle, just enough and not enough. lol

The outcome will of each situation will tell you which.