Accuracy

Jjeffhunter said:
I guarantee there are more animals die from getting legs blown off,gut shot,butt shot or getting hit to high above the vitals then jaws getting blown off
I've personally never made a bad head shot never had to shoot them twice with it either have you ever heard the saying aim small miss small. I have seen deer get hit in the jaw before and it's not good it's from an inexperienced shooter aiming for the vitals getting to excited or just being a poor shot. The majority of people won't take a head shot because they aren't comfortable or they just aren't proficient with it that's fine I do it because I can and it wastes no meat they bleed out great because there heart is still pumping blood
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As long as you don't make a mistake and are off the point of aim a little bit. I still wouldn't take a head shot, I will wait for the vitals, and by the way lung shots don't waste much meat either so that's a poor argument. I still say shoot for the vitals because we all make mistakes and there is a lot more room for error when shooting for the vitals.
 
Jjeffhunter said:
I guarantee there are more animals die from getting legs blown off,gut shot,butt shot or getting hit to high above the vitals then jaws getting blown off
I've personally never made a bad head shot never had to shoot them twice with it either have you ever heard the saying aim small miss small. I have seen deer get hit in the jaw before and it's not good it's from an inexperienced shooter aiming for the vitals getting to excited or just being a poor shot. The majority of people won't take a head shot because they aren't comfortable or they just aren't proficient with it that's fine I do it because I can and it wastes no meat they bleed out great because there heart is still pumping blood
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The head of an animal moves a whole lot more then the body and the brain is a pretty small target. aim for the lungs if you don't want to ruin meat.
 
jskmtd said:
As long as you don't make a mistake and are off the point of aim a little bit. I still wouldn't take a head shot, I will wait for the vitals, and by the way lung shots don't waste much meat either so that's a poor argument. I still say shoot for the vitals because we all make mistakes and there is a lot more room for error when shooting for the vitals.
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If you're your not comfortable with it that's OK by be never said you should use it or anyone else just stated I do and always will
 
Alex Wheeler said:
If your painting it and measuring the groups its ok. I used to shoot a local match that was on steel gongs at 1000. All down the line you would hear about how the rifles were holding 2" of vertical. But then when we would shoot paper the next weekend it was rare to see under 6". It just fools you if your watching impacts. Groups mean a lot. If your shooting 1 moa at 1k that means your fist round hit could be a max of 5" from the aim point. Add in all the other errors from the shooter, conditions and wind calls, ext. The worse the rifle shoots the better you have to be.
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I don't know if we are agreeing or disagreeing, probably just looking at it from different perspectives. I agree in shooting groups to validate your rifle/load accuracy at long range, what I'm saying is that after I'm confident in my setup I need to make sure I'm up to the task. To do this you need to get away from any benches or such and get into field shooting. Then I focus on me making those first round hits, sometimes even putting two or three on target in rapid succession. But I would hardly call that grouping.
Maybe that's the difference in my upbringing as a Military Sniper and yours as a target shooter.
 
IMO, hang 1 Moa gongs at whatever distance you want to shoot game too. Shoot them in all conditions and learn your limits. Some times wind can be steady and you're able to make a good first round hit, other times it's **** hard. If you make enough first round hits on target, pretty much confirms you and your rifle
 
finding a range that permits paper targets at 1,000 yards is the big challenge here within a reasonable distance in northern Utah. I shoot regularly at 1,000 but it is all at steel plates of varying sizes down to 12" diameter.
 
I have wondered this myself. I shoot out to 850 almost weekly, have shot out to 1200 but all at steel. There are still days that we go out when 1 moa targets at distance are tricky.

Me question is, do you long range hunters take a sighter shot on any of these long range ventures? Maybe at something 50, 25, 10 yards from your intended target to verify you are on? I just don't see first round success every time at extended range myself and am in awe of some of the shots I read about.
 
I shoot at 1k often. I usually start the "session" with a cold bore wind call just to see how close I can get. I still cant get on every time, and likely never will. The advertising is trying to sell the idea that a check can buy that know how/skill. There are very few guys that can put a first round hit on a 1 moa plate at 1k and beyond every time. And if you going to shoot an animal, you better be able to do it every time.
 
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Alex Wheeler said:
I shoot at 1k often. I usually start the "session" with a cold bore wind call just to see how close I can get. I still cant get on every time, and likely never will. The advertising is trying to sell the idea that a check can buy that know how/skill. There are very few guys that can put a first round hit on a 1 moa plate at 1k and beyond every time. And if you going to shoot an animal, you better be able to do it every time.
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I agree.
I shot this target with my 308 at 1/2mile while truing up my dope. Shot the first 3 that measured under 3". While I Fiddled around with my dope, the wind started gusting and I shot the waterline of shots. At 1/2 mile that's a 2moa steel plate, I never missed it but it's a good example of how tricky it gets
 
Schmyd,
I have taken a sighter to check my wind call and then killed a whitetail immediately after. I have also not taken shots on game because I just wasn't confident. Last year I passed on an elk that I felt was within my effective range, it was just moving in some trees and didn't want to try a snake one in. I also went home empty handed that trip. This isn't just at long range, two seasons back I passed on a <50 yard shot on what would have been my biggest whitetail because I just didn't feel confident with the amount of brush between us.
 
Bravo 4 said:
Schmyd,
I have taken a sighter to check my wind call and then killed a whitetail immediately after. I have also not taken shots on game because I just wasn't confident. Last year I passed on an elk that I felt was within my effective range, it was just moving in some trees and didn't want to try a snake one in. I also went home empty handed that trip. This isn't just at long range, two seasons back I passed on a <50 yard shot on what would have been my biggest whitetail because I just didn't feel confident with the amount of brush between us.
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That would've been tough to leave, but it all boils down to being ethical no matter the distance.
 
One match starts at 850, cold bore, so we try to practice that cadence. Sometimes there are other bugs that need to be ironed out first but when loads are set it is a good way to start.

I haven't ever shot an animal, aside from a varmint here or there, past 375. I passed on a shot at 550 because I couldn't get comfortable. 30 painfully slow minutes belly crawling closed to 350 and I made that. Based on that load and the way I was shooting I was ready to shoot as far as 600 that year but could not find a way from that spot.
 
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