Sierra Gamechanger bullets.

I recently have been pondering the future of my relationship with Berger since the buy out, and considering my alternatives .

My bullet shelf MIGHT become less Orange and Yellow to all green. I know all too well how well Sierra's shoot and always wish they'd make a true tipped hinting bullet.

Here's to the future.

tbrice23 said:

I recently have been pondering the future of my relationship with Berger since the buy out, and considering my alternatives .

My bullet shelf MIGHT become less Orange and Yellow to all green. I know all too well how well Sierra's shoot and always wish they'd make a true tipped hinting bullet.

Here's to the future.

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I've been waiting a couple of decades for them to produce something similar to the Hornady Interbond and Nosler Accubond with a good ballistic tip.

I've shot a zillion Sierras in .17 and .223 for varmints, prairie dogs, and predators but I've always been unimpressed with the SGK for game.

In my gun safe is a brand new 6.5-284 Schultz and Larsen barrel for my switch barrel rifle. I haven't started load development for it because I wanted to use a 130gr bullet rather than the 140s. The 130 SGK has a low BC which really only left me with the Swift Scirocco which I have read mixed reviews on. The new 130gr Game Changer may just be the game changer for me.

kiwikid said:

In my gun safe is a brand new 6.5-284 Schultz and Larsen barrel for my switch barrel rifle. I haven't started load development for it because I wanted to use a 130gr bullet rather than the 140s. The 130 SGK has a low BC which really only left me with the Swift Scirocco which I have read mixed reviews on. The new 130gr Game Changer may just be the game changer for me.

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Do you have access to either Nosler or Hornady bullets down there? How about Peregrine?

Sirocco's shoot very well but I've had far too many of them flatten out completely spinning off at really weird angles even on our white tailed deer and coyotes.

WildRose said:

If these are nothing but an SGK with a ballistic tip I can't see them changing anything really, they will still break up way too easily for me.

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I tried to tell them.

Yes I can get Nosler and Hornady. I tried 100gr Nosler Partitions in five different 25 Cal rifles and they would only shoot in one of them which is a Vanguard. The other four are 2 Coopers, a Sauer 202 and a Schultz and Larsen Classic DL. I have found that the Nosler bullets seem to copper foul more than Sierra. Your comments about the Sciroccos is what I have read before. I haven't seen Peregrine here at all. I think our red deer would be about the size of your Mule Deer but don't quote me on that.

kiwikid said:

It is sad that there are so many negative comments regarding the Game Changer bullets when few of us have seen them and even fewer of us have any real world experience shooting them. It appears to me that Sierra released a new range of bullets with little fan fare but made sure that they were available when the announcement was made. In the past I have found Sierra to have been honest about their bullets and always answer questions I may have had about their products. Please try these new bullets and let us all know what you think of them. If they are good that's great, if they are bad please tell us why. At least then when they finally arrive down here in the South Pacific I will know whether to buy some or not. My money is on buy some!

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You are correct, people are quick to judge. But then it's really hard to blame them when companies have been known not to live up to the hype. I hope these aren't just another run of the mill product where the company tries to just stay in the game and keep up with competition...instead of trying to out do them. It just reminds me of companies using the word "EXTREME" in their name or products. Same crap-catchy title, fools folks in to looking. Hopefully it is a game changer, not just the same product with a different name. Want to change the game, quit putting out the same thing everyone else is. Stop spinning your wheels and go reinvent it!
Not flaming you on your post. It's your opinion, but others have theirs as well. I can see this from all sides.

I wonder if the data for the Sierra #1535 90gr FMJBT would be a good starting point for these. 3100 FPS from a 90gr with a .490 BC is quite tempting.

Agree with your sentiments. Sierra is one of the few companies that produces accurate information. The most comprehensive real world load data, accurate not overstated BC info broken down into multiple velocity brackets. Accurate marketing, without months of hype, a product that's actually on the shelf, a staff that answers the phone and answers questions appropriately. They update the load books with zero costs and the products are reasonably priced.

I have been hard pressed to find a bullet with terminal ballistics that outperform the Game King day in day out let alone the varmit bullet line.

MT257 said:

Prove him wrong then since you apparently seem to know what the bullets will do.

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Your sarcasm was not warranted since you are not keeping abreast of development in your hobby.
Please watch those 2 videos, but before you start, note the date it was posted, I am sure that by that time they had the problem under control, so it would be a considerable time prior that the were aware of it.



and pay attention at 0:03, 0:16, 1:55, 2:02 and 2:11.

and here is another one,



once again pay attention at 0:45 and 0:51.

The fact that you are in the dark does not mean that the leading bullet makers are similarly unaware of it. As long as you keep buying they are happy to sell - why wouldn't they?

So, mate, "I talked to Duane at Sierra today and he said they haven't had any indications that the tip melts... "

in the light of the above how honest do you consider that answer now?

Ditto for adam32.

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Let's all take a deep breath and go back to the basics. Bullet makers are in business to produce and sell bullets, not to pander to EVERY SHOOTERS wants or whims. If it is a feasible product that is likely to succeed in increasing sales and profits, then they will certainly make them. Their sales history and marketing research will tell them if a 130 gr .458 bullet is worth producing or not. They use advertising to promote their products and arouse interest in them. We, as consumers, use our dollars to "vote" in this process. There is a percentage of folks who are "supporters" of Berger, Nosler, Hornady etc. who will never stoop to using Sierra. There is another percentage who come on forums, read what everyone writes and follows that lead. I think the largest percentage are people who take the time and effort to experiment with different bullets, learn their characterstics and decide for themselves if they're suitable for their needs or not. Some people need to quit getting so emotional. It's called capitalism. They make what they think will sell. We decide, with our dollars, if they're right or not.

charlie 7 said:

in the light of the above how honest do you consider that answer now?
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Have you ever had a tip melt on a standered Hornady?

Not to mention who says the sierra and hornady have the same tip? And how do you know what Hornady posted was not just more marketing hype? They to could be just trying to sell a new product as being the best.

I have never noticed the tips on there V-max bullets melting or the A-max. shooting them 3500 plus FPS.

I use Hornady, Berger, and Sierra bullets. Why? Because I like them.

charlie 7 said:

Your sarcasm was not warranted since you are not keeping abreast of development in your hobby.
Please watch those 2 videos, but before you start, note the date it was posted, I am sure that by that time they had the problem under control, so it would be a considerate time prior that the were aware of it.



and pay attention at 0:03, 0:16, 1:55, 2:02 and 2:11.

and here is another one,



once again pay attention at 0:45 and 0:51.

The fact that you are in the dark does not mean that the leading bullet makers are similarly unaware of it. As long as you keep buying they are happy to sell - why wouldn't they?

So, mate, "I talked to Duane at Sierra today and he said they haven't had any indications that the tip melts... "

in the light of the above how honest do you consider that answer now?

Ditto for adam32.

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Hornady marketing at its best.