Ft.lbs - How Much Is Enough?

HARPERC said:

Not all lung tissue, or blood vessels, contained therein are anatomically or physiologically identical. The more you wreck, as well as warm air exiting, and cold air entering both sides the better the results.

The lungs 2 big balloons to pop is conceptually wrong.

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I do not quite understand your bottom statement.

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I think many believe the lungs collapse much like balloons, poke a hole in them they pop.

The reality is they are branching segments, and subsegments, down to the small units where O2, and blood combine. Generally just loafing around very small percentage of lung is required, shut down a portion, and other portions will take over. A rather ingenious device really with built in mechanisms to to keep blood flow, and air flow matching by shutting down units that aren't working.

HARPERC said:

I think many believe the lungs collapse much like balloons, poke a hole in them they pop.

The reality is they are branching segments, and subsegments, down to the small units where O2, and blood combine. Generally just loafing around very small percentage of lung is required, shut down a portion, and other portions will take over. A rather ingenious device really with built in mechanisms to to keep blood flow, and air flow matching by shutting down units that aren't working.

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Hmmm? I guess whoever created lungs knew what he was doing

elkaholic said:

......Hmmm? I guess whoever created lungs knew what he was doing......

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No doubts here!

I am much more concerned with bullet design and using it as intended than energy. Most hunting pistols have far less energy than rifles, but their bullets are fundamentally different, open at lower velocities, and start and a greater diameter to begin with.

Those comparing low energy rifle or non-expanding bullets to archery don't seem to have mentioned that a broadhead creates a permanent 1.25"-1.5" wound channel, which is actually larger than what many bullets do. So animals hit with good placement typically go down in reasonable distances, yet on average longer than a good rifle hit due to lack of wider damage due to energy transfer arrows lack.

SidecarFlip said:

Only 'gas gun' I own is a WW 2 Nazi Paratroopers flamethrower. You can BBQ your quarry at 100 feet.

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One question- Was it issued to you?

Torn tissue bleeds at a much slower rate than razor cut tissue. Comparing archery to rifle is like apples and oranges. Both fruit, but.... Comparing these two is fruitless. See what I did there? Hahaha

Steve

For me, I have a few criteria.
1800fps regardless
1000ft/lbs for deer sized game
1500ft/lbs for elk
Coyotes get shot at all ranges no matter what

The only place that we impose our hunting philosophy on our customers is minimum impact vel. In our opinion 1800fps should be the min impact for most applications regardless of whether or not the bullet performs as designed. All of our bullets are impact tested to below 1800fps. Impact speed increases the size of the permanent wound channel and is necessary for ethical killing. Again this is our opinion and if someone wants to impact test our bullet and determin the actual velocity floor and is comfortable shooting animals down to that vel, great.

Large frontal area big cal slow guns are a different story.

Steve

I try as well to stay around the 1000ft/lbs threshold. But, I do take in consideration the range and my ability.

My .300wm doesn't drop below 1000ft/lbs until 1400 yards. Would I ever take a shot that far? Definitely not. Coyote definitely lol.

A lot of great points made in this thread so far.

Bullet construction is key, but then so is the energy at impact...and velocity is the third important component to getting the job done. All three play on each other to the point that one without the other could mean a lost animal!

Not many calibers have such a vast velocity range in the chambering as 6.5, 6.8 and .30 do. With the 6.5 Grendel and 300 Blackout being as small capacity case as they are compared to say the 26 Nosler or 30 Nosler. Bullets best used in the smaller chambering is worthless in the bigger cased rounds.

CaptnC said:

A lot of great points made in this thread so far.

Bullet construction is key, but then so is the energy at impact...and velocity is the third important component to getting the job done. All three play on each other to the point that one without the other could mean a lost animal!

Not many calibers have such a vast velocity range in the chambering as 6.5, 6.8 and .30 do. With the 6.5 Grendel and 300 Blackout being as small capacity case as they are compared to say the 26 Nosler or 30 Nosler. Bullets best used in the smaller chambering is worthless in the bigger cased rounds.

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This is not true. The effective range would be much closer for The small cartridges in The comparison. High vel impacts with our Hammer bullets and other well constructed bullets is not a problem.

Steve

More the better in every way impact velocity and energy play roles!! and using the right bullet for intended purpose is key! you can definitely tell the killing difference between 180gr 7mm berger bullet @500 yards and a 338 300 gr berger bullet. at same distance no matter where you hit em!