Brakes on a hunting gun

+1
The explanation is simple. A medium bore (7mm to 30 cal) has a lot of powder for the bullet weight. Some have a 75/25 ratio of powder to bullet weight. the faster bullet produces the total recoil over less time. the big bores have a much more even powder to bullet weight ratio some times 50/50. The bullet produces inertial recoil that cant be altered except by adding or subtracting weight. and the recoil produced by the powder is the only thing that a brake can work with.

The speed that the weapon recoils is called recoil velocity. medium bore rifles typically have high recoil velocities because of the rifles weight and the amount of powder used. Big bore rifles normally done weigh more, and the recoil velocity is slower (More of a push as described) the faster the rifles recoil velocity, the more "Felt" recoil.
so it is not uncommon for big bore rifles to be more pleasant even though they have more total recoil than a small to medium bore rifle.

The time it takes to deliver the total recoil is the felt results.
Recoil velocity is one of the main culprits that cause retinal detachments in shooting sports.

Most of the rifles that I feel needs brakes, are the big 30 cal and the 338s. I don't have a brake on my 416 even though it has almost 80 ft/lbs of recoil. One of the worst felt recoil rifles I have is the 30/378 in a 7.5 lb rifle.

J E CUSTOM

I'll comment on two points you raised in this post.

1. You mentioned retinal detachments. I have never had a retina detach but had three torn retinas before my doctor started probing my habits and when he came to my love of my 300 Win Mag and my frequent trips to the range where I would usually shoot 40-50 rounds per range session. He said I was crazy to be subjecting myself to that much and so frequent recoil. I cut way back on my shooting of heavy recoiling rifles and voila! No more torn retinas!

2. You also mentioned the 30-378 Weatherby round and it's inherent recoil. No kidding! I had a Weatherby Mark 5 in 30-378 a few years ago that LOVED the Nosler 180gr BT bullet and was amazingly accurate out to 1000 yards. BUT!!! The recoil was so ferocious that it just wasn't any fun at all after about 7 rounds in a day. Also my nervous system would get jangled kind of like being punch drunk and my accuracy would go south about that time. LOL

Needless to say I sold both rifles and now shoot kinder and gentler recoiling rifles but still abhor a brake and won't even permit myself to be anywhere near the firing line when someone at the range shows up with one.
 
I'll comment on two points you raised in this post.

1. You mentioned retinal detachments. I have never had a retina detach but had three torn retinas before my doctor started probing my habits and when he came to my love of my 300 Win Mag and my frequent trips to the range where I would usually shoot 40-50 rounds per range session. He said I was crazy to be subjecting myself to that much and so frequent recoil. I cut way back on my shooting of heavy recoiling rifles and voila! No more torn retinas!

2. You also mentioned the 30-378 Weatherby round and it's inherent recoil. No kidding! I had a Weatherby Mark 5 in 30-378 a few years ago that LOVED the Nosler 180gr BT bullet and was amazingly accurate out to 1000 yards. BUT!!! The recoil was so ferocious that it just wasn't any fun at all after about 7 rounds in a day. Also my nervous system would get jangled kind of like being punch drunk and my accuracy would go south about that time. LOL

Needless to say I sold both rifles and now shoot kinder and gentler recoiling rifles but still abhor a brake and won't even permit myself to be anywhere near the firing line when someone at the range shows up with one.


Believe it or not, For many years I would not consider a muzzle brake "AT ALL". When I bought an M 82 AI 50 BMG I finally reached my limit of reasonable recoil. The 50 BMG produces a recoil Of 117 ft/lbs with out a brake and is unacceptable to most shooters without a brake.

So That was when I started working on a new design that would reduce the recoil to a reasonable amount. after trying different designs, Recoil went from 117 ft/lbs to 49.4 ft/lbs. I shoot/hunt with some rifles that have lots of recoil and have a limit of somewhere around 85 ft/lbs before accuracy is affected because of my limits.

An un-braked 300 WIN MAG produces around 23 ft/lbs. With my brake design it is reduced to less than 9 ft/lbs in a standard hunting rifle. there is no doubt that the muzzle blast can effect other shooters, so people with brakes installed should be courteous and set up or remind others of the effects.

Also when I excepted the fact that hearing protection was needed when firing "ANY" firearm, with or without a brake to prevent damage/loss of hearing. It became a non issue.

I still have rifles that don't have a muzzle brakes up to 416s but this does limit the amount of shooting before the fun goes out of it.

There are many reasons to install a brake, and very few not to but it is just a personal choice and i respect that. What I tell people that are trying to decide if they want a brake or not, is that If you don,t enjoy shooting a/any rifle over 4 or 5 times, and if you are think about how it is going to kick the crap out of you, they probably need a brake.

Brakes have little or no effect on the rifles accuracy, It can have a great effect on the shooters accuracy because he can concentrate on breathing, trigger pull/control, site picture. position, ETC, instead of what is going to happen once he pulls the trigger.

In many cases, muzzle brakes are not needed, but in other cases they can be an asset. In some, they are almost a must to bring back the joy in shooting them.

Like them or not they are hear to stay and everyone has a choice what they want.:)

J E CUSTOM
 
Last edited:
Judging from the first page or two, it seems most are in favor of them. I have never liked them. I only ever owned one rifle with a brake and didn't own it long. I am new to this site but not to the game. I am not into the competition anymore. Mostly hunting and the preparation for it. I never liked the percussion created by them and the side blast to me was just plain rude to others, if any in the hunting party. I am speaking of guides. There was a time some guides would not take you if you had a brake. Just for the sake of it, the biggest rifle I currently hunt with is a 280 Rem
 
Judging from the first page or two, it seems most are in favor of them. I have never liked them. I only ever owned one rifle with a brake and didn't own it long. I am new to this site but not to the game. I am not into the competition anymore. Mostly hunting and the preparation for it. I never liked the percussion created by them and the side blast to me was just plain rude to others, if any in the hunting party. I am speaking of guides. There was a time some guides would not take you if you had a brake. Just for the sake of it, the biggest rifle I currently hunt with is a 280 Rem

Hear, Hear I am with you buddy all the way! The Biggest rifle I own is a 300 WM and I don't need a muzzle break. When I can not take the recoil I will take up knitting lol :D
 
Hear, Hear I am with you buddy all the way! The Biggest rifle I own is a 300 WM and I don't need a muzzle break. When I can not take the recoil I will take up knitting lol :D

I shot my .300 WM un-braked for over 20 years until 2003. I too am not recoil sensitive but most of my hunting rifles from .22 to .338 cal chamberings now sports a muzzle device (muzzle brake or suppressor). An effective muzzle brake (and there are plenty of them out there that are reasonably priced, including clamped on versions) not only in helps in recoil reduction and but also reduces muzzle rise - spotting targets on impact is priceless.

It is definitely not for everybody. Like most of us, I hesitated for the longest time but I am glad for my decision to give it a try and never looked back. Give yourself a "break" and install a muzzle "brake". :cool::D;)

Cheers!
 
Forget the brake and get a suppressor! It may not help as much with recoil but I will make it more quiet instead of louder.
 
Run brakes on almost all my guns. Len is right on recommending Sound Gear. They are comfortable and effective. My 300 Win Mag finished at 10 lb 2 oz. It shoots the 215 Berger right at 3000 fps. With a holland brake recoil is very manageable.
 
Warning! This thread is more than 5 years ago old.
It's likely that no further discussion is required, in which case we recommend starting a new thread. If however you feel your response is required you can still do so.
Top