Purchase of a muzzleloader

I am looking to purchase a Muzzle loader for my Arizona Elk hunt, I have narrowed my search to either a Remington Ultimate MZ or a CVA Accura V2 LR
anybody own either one of these that can give me a little input?
Thanks
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I don't own either but if you are going to shoot Blackhorn 209 it is not recommended to use in the Remington Ultimate.

I use a TC Pro Hunter .50 and I like those White Hot pellets use a regular 209 primer
not those muzzleloader ones.

A friend has the Remington UML. It is quite accurate and he's killed a very nice Utah mule deer and a large bodied Az cow elk with one shot each. I bedded the stock since he thought it needed bedding. He said it made it a bit more accurate. I like the action and the ignition set up.

If you decide on the Rem UML you probably cant beat the price at Grabagun

https://grabagun.com/remington-model-700-lss-muzzeloader.html

Dosh said:

A friend has the Remington UML. It is quite accurate and he's killed a very nice Utah mule deer and a large bodied Az cow elk with one shot each. I bedded the stock since he thought it needed bedding. He said it made it a bit more accurate. I like the action and the ignition set up.

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Thanks for the input !

McRem45 said:

If you decide on the Rem UML you probably cant beat the price at Grabagun

https://grabagun.com/remington-model-700-lss-muzzeloader.html

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That's a great price , thanks for that

Have 2 CVA Optimas. Nothing but good things to say about them. I shoot Parker 275 match hunters in one and .40 cal 200 gr shockwaves in the other. Have put down quite a few deer and one bear with them. Shoot blackhorn 209 and CCI 209M primers.

tankgijohn72 said:

Have 2 CVA Optimas. Nothing but good things to say about them. I shoot Parker 275 match hunters in one and .40 cal 200 gr shockwaves in the other. Have put down quite a few deer and one bear with them. Shoot blackhorn 209 and CCI 209M primers.

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Thank you for your post, I was torn between the Optima and the RUMZ , I decided to go for the Remington mainly because I have shot Remingtom 700's for much of my hunting career so I am use to the action and trigger.
Now its time to get an accurate load for it.
Thanks to all that sent their opinion !

Randy Wakeman did a really nice write up on the 700 a year or so ago. Blackthorn 209 is the way to go for sure. Plenty of guys use it in the rem. More energy and cleaner than any other sub. It is all I will use when I use a BP sub. I mostly shoot smokeless CF conversions, but it is really good stuff.

I have read a few articles saying I should not use BH 209 on the Remington , do you know anyone that is actually using it?
I would like to see the write up that Randy Wakeman wrote , how can I find that write up?
Thanks

Remington 700 Ultimate Muzzleloader Loads

This like to his website should work

kbrezlin said:

Remington 700 Ultimate Muzzleloader Loads

This like to his website should work

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Thank you!

kbrezlin said:

Randy Wakeman did a really nice write up on the 700 a year or so ago. Blackthorn 209 is the way to go for sure. Plenty of guys use it in the rem. More energy and cleaner than any other sub. It is all I will use when I use a BP sub. I mostly shoot smokeless CF conversions, but it is really good stuff.

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If you shoot BH209 through your RUM, Remington WILL NOT warrant it. Randy started that when he was given a rifle to do a write up. Remington let it go until they started replacing gas cut breech plugs one right after the other.
Remington has now come out saying that they will not warrant the rifle if BH209 is used.

Quote from a RUM owner, who gave his permission to use it, who is a member of the UF/RUM OWNERS ONLY FB page....

"Update on my Remington Ultimate I had in for warranty work due to headspace issue. I called Remington 2 weeks ago due to no update on my warranty process via their website and my serial number. The warranty department stated they had no clue where my gun was due to it not being in their system, even tho they sent UPS to pick it up and had records of it being delivered at their facility. Today I received an email that the gun would be delivered today by the end of day, which the gun showed up via UPS. I also received a note stating that my headspace was off due to a bad breechplug. The reason for the bad breechplug, was due to improper powder use (black horn 209). Remington stated the only approved powder for my gun is pellets. I'm curious due to Remington previously telling me I'm fine to shoot blackhorn 209 out of the gun. I contacted the gun repair department and they also stated DO NOT shoot Blackhorn. I guess I will be switching to Triple 7 magnum pellets lol. I wanted everyone to have a heads up on the Remington's stance on shooting Blackhorn 209. My gun is perfect now, no dented brass and the brass is now clean as new after every shot with pellets. Remington also noted I did not get charged for repair due to the gun damaging brass out of the box with the very first shot even with pellets prior to me switching to Blackhorn. In the end I think my gun was bad from the beginning and either Blackhorn 209 made it worse or they are blowing smoke up my butt about the powder. Sorry for the long post and thanks for all the help on this page."