100 or 200 Yard Zero???

Jeffrthehunter

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I am sure this has been discussed many times before, I have searched and cannot find a good info thread.

In the past I have always ran a 200 yard zero and now I am thinking a 100 yard might be better.


While hunting last year I fell and bumped my gun. Needing to check zero it would have been easier to check things at 100 yards. I shot a couple rounds at 200 and was off about 1" and decided to call it good, still having doubts that maybe things were not perfect (hate not having 100% confidence). BTW, did get a Whitetail the next day at 400 yards and a Mule deer a few days after that.


So now I have switched to 100 yard zero, making sure I am shooting an almost perfect POI group and then getting all my validation data from there. My thought is that checking my zero in the field will be easier and more reliable. Not needing to worry about wind or air density.


Am I way off base, would love to hear everyone's thoughts?


Thanks, Jeff

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I will start off by saying that I am in no way an expert long range shooter, or short range for that matter, and those are some beautiful specimens. I grew up and was taught at a very young age to use the Maximum Point Blank Range method of sighting in my hunting rifles. Worked for me for a long time. Now I am also rethinking this also, now that I have scopes with BDC features. Sight in at 100 and use your BDC chart for shooting beyond.. I honestly haven't decided for sure as the MPBR is in the KISS category, and for me I like simlple. :)
Take care and God Bless
Ed
 
I decided based upon where I was hunting this year, as many of us are limited to specific plots of land. Obviously deer often come from many direction but the most active tree line from my blind is about 250 yards away so I went with 200. I don't think it matters as long you understand the general ballistics.
 
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Why not do a 200yd zero shot at 100yds? If you know what you're 200yd drop would be at a 100yd zero then just offset your 100yd zero that much higher. You get the benefit of an expanded point blank range and the precision of a 100yd zero.
 
That's exactly right. Doesn't really matter what you pick for a zero. Pick 200, that probably means that your about and inch and a half or maybe 2 inches high at 100. As long as you know that then you can check zero at 100. Print off a ballistic chart and follow that.
Nice deer by the way!!
 
Complicated question and it really depends. For hunting in the old way of expecting encounters at conversational distance up to say 400-500m your game animal size has something to say about how far you should not exceed for a zero. You want to be able to hold on-hair as far out as possible and still be able to put metal right into the pumping room right? To do that you need your Point Blank Range to match your game's vital area size divided by 2 to the maximum ordinal of the bullet (bullet height above line of sight). If you set it up so you're 2.5" high at 100yrds and dead on at 250 then you're good with many rifles to somewhere around 400yrds holding on hair. I personally never liked that way of doing things, it seemed to be kinda ball-parking things with something's life on the line for my taste.

The LRH crowd though tend to look much farther for shots and that old rule of thumb goes right out the window because of how you shoot at them. We/y'all tend to identify the exact range the critter is at, dial turrets to a precise firing solution and engage from a supported position. None of those things typically gets done the way I describe in the paragraph above. So you want a dead-on zero you can rely on as a solid reference point (so your ballistics DOPE works properly) and a scope that tracks like a rolling train. Simple enough. Now we've identified that you NEED a soild reference point to dial ballistic firing solutions properly.

Some very limited military and competition circumstances have a 600m zero being right (they're only needing to put metal on meat and wound someone, not necessariliy make sure it's dead and didn't suffer) but for our ostensible purposes of long range hunting and for long range precision rifle target shooting in general I teach my students to use a 100yrd/m zero. There's a simple reason for it. It's close enough that subtle changes in things like wind, muzzle velocity and air temperature become inconsequential to getting a really solid zero and far enough to be useful. 10mph of wind is going to be 1-2 clicks and up/down changes from MV and temp are not going not going to show up at all. As you get farther out it becomes tough to tell if you've got a spurious couple inches of wind dialed in or if terrain effect is throwing off your zero.

This system of configuration and use assumes that you'll be dialing your scope to your firing solution from the middle or its mechanical range to nearly the mechanical bottom of its range for zero setting and that when normally shooting you'll be dialing up, usually a significant amount. You don't want your scope at the actual bottom of its range though for optical reasons so careful selection of bases and rings should be exercised. If you're stopping shooting at 1000yrds or somewhere closer, you're not likely going to need 100MOA of adjustment. 40 will do so you can set up the scope to be in the middle of the range for most scopes we might tend to use (they frequently have 60-80moa or more of adjustment range). On most of my guns I'm set up for going to the supersonic limits of the bullet so I tend to set up my scopes near the mechanical bottom so I have the maximum amount of up left in the scope. I don't shoot anything closer than 200m except for my zeroing target.

So to sum up, you need to take cartridge performance, game size, typical engagement range, scope adjustment range, etc... all in to account and those will generally determine for you if you MUST go further than 100yrds or if you can get away with 100yrds.

FYI, a 600yrd zero is done by shooting at 100yrds and making the POI the requisite number of mils higher than the POA. You'd never shoot for a zero at 600yrds. Wind changes would jack you up bad. So even if you're looking for a longer than 100yrd zero, there's ZERO REASON to actually shoot that zero at beyond 100 physical yards. Just adjust POI vs. POA so that the angular adjustment is there already.

If that's not insanely clear, I apologize. I tried.
 
For hunting guns I have been setting my zero stop at 100 yards and my actual turret zero at 200, ballistic calculators have the 200 yard zero. Like it so far.
 
I'm from camp # 3...Zero at 300 yards. I do not worry about hold over/under untill we get past 350 yards........just point and shoot out to 350. I haven't met a deer yet that cares weather I center punch the heart or destroy the top 1/2 or bottom 1/2 of the heart.;)

Obviously for the longer stuff we start dialing, or use the reticle.

Tod
 
The 300 yard zero would be very practical, however if you don't have a range to shoot the 300 yards to confirm the zero, I would not use that. You can print drop tables to figure where you might hit at 300 but there are so many variables that you need to shoot at 300 to confirm that zero. Most shooting ranges don't have the distance to shoot 300 yards, so the best trade off is to sight in with your group being about 2 inches high at 100, and check the ballistics chart see what your point of impact will be at 200 and beyond.
 
Ive done 200 zero for years .If i find Im hunting thick timber I have a little room in my zero stop to down dial for 100.
 
What ever you are used to is what is best. I am a 300y zero guy for the max pbr of it. With most rifles this makes me leathal by holdimg hair past 400y. Beyond that distance chances are good that the animal does not know I am there giving me plenty if time to calc the appropriate compensation. Inside 400y there is a good chance the animal knows I am there and I don't have the luxury of time.

Symply put....I am very lethal in the woods with a 300y zero.

Steve
 
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