I have quite a few Shilen, a Kreiger, and a Hart. The Hart is my favorite, cleans easier than the others. To be fair though I bought the Kreiger used, so I don't know that it went through the same break-in. They all shoot bug-holes though (when I do my part).
Barrels, which manufacturer??
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Kmccord
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It does sound like all of the manufacturer barrels are good, it probably comes down to the person who is doing the chambering of the barrel.
Kmccord
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I too would like to hear more about cut vs button, what would make one better than the other.
adam32
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Internet myths make one better than the other...in reality a good barrel is a good barrel as long as it is fitted by a good gunsmith.
elkaholic
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I think the poster who said button rifling "is good for hunting" meant that they are not as good, according to the competition world, and I would agree with that. This is not to say that some button rifled barrels don't shoot equally as well (Hart would be an example) Button rifled barrels have the rifling swaged by pulling the button through the bore under great pressure displacing the metal, and potentially causing stress. Cut rifling is done one groove at a time which puts little pressure on the metal and is thought to be more consistent. They are then hand lapped to make them more consistent in diameter for the length of the barrel, and also smoother. It is also slower (more costly) and is why many manufacturers use button, or even hammer forged barrels. Bartlein, Krieger, Brux, and Rock Creek are all examples of cut rifled......Rich
Kmccord
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Elkaholic thanks for the information, that makes it very interesting on the barrel I will pick.
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I just finished breaking in a Pac-Nor Super Match and am very happy with it. I have a Brux, a Douglas, and a couple Criterions I'm happy with, too. I have Bartlein and Lilja blanks to chamber and put on, and two E.R. Shaws to break in, still.
Mikecr
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Well ask yourself whether the 'comp' guys have a focus on hunting accuracy, or bench precision.
For cold bore accuracy you want a barrel that is stable (stress free) given the wide range of ambient conditions that you have with hunting in the field. This is not the same as group shooting with a barrel brought up to hot with sighters.
A cut rifled barrel works well for both uses. They are also built well, having actual twist ordered, where many button rifled barrels are neither(you just get what you get).
Yeah there are button barrels that shoot well enough for both, top brands. But all cut barrels are top brands. There are no el cheapo cut rifled barrels.
I've used Wilson, Bartlein, Krieger, Border, Schneider, Pacnor, and would never recommend the last two(both button), for hunting. They were good only for grouping.
For cold bore accuracy you want a barrel that is stable (stress free) given the wide range of ambient conditions that you have with hunting in the field. This is not the same as group shooting with a barrel brought up to hot with sighters.
A cut rifled barrel works well for both uses. They are also built well, having actual twist ordered, where many button rifled barrels are neither(you just get what you get).
Yeah there are button barrels that shoot well enough for both, top brands. But all cut barrels are top brands. There are no el cheapo cut rifled barrels.
I've used Wilson, Bartlein, Krieger, Border, Schneider, Pacnor, and would never recommend the last two(both button), for hunting. They were good only for grouping.
Kmccord
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Very interesting, never looked at it that way, very nice to see the difference, thanks for that info.
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Malarkey
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" Malarkey" Is that a word?
The " bubba " factor on this forum some times is quite amusing.
To the OP prob the best way to educate your self is a quick google search on the metelurgy and granular structure of 400 series S.S. ( which most barrels are made of ) And how various types of external stresses, including temperature can effect the grain structure of the billet. The various rifling/machining processes absolutely effect that grain structure and this ABSOLUTLY effects harmonics on a finished barrel. Their are processes used to mitigate those effects but they are their. Weather we as individuals can desern those effects may be a valid argument for some. And for the vast majority of shooters those effects are hidden in their ability to be consistent enough to realize them.
The " bubba " factor on this forum some times is quite amusing.
To the OP prob the best way to educate your self is a quick google search on the metelurgy and granular structure of 400 series S.S. ( which most barrels are made of ) And how various types of external stresses, including temperature can effect the grain structure of the billet. The various rifling/machining processes absolutely effect that grain structure and this ABSOLUTLY effects harmonics on a finished barrel. Their are processes used to mitigate those effects but they are their. Weather we as individuals can desern those effects may be a valid argument for some. And for the vast majority of shooters those effects are hidden in their ability to be consistent enough to realize them.
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TwoMore
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seems to me the time saved by button process would be lost in stress relieving and the time lapping after that process
TwoMore
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I did , my fingers got ahead of my eyes lol I edited it
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