Michael Eichele

I'm in no hurry for the results and sounds like your priorities are straight. Just so you know I have not forgotten about getting a quote for you on those mules. It's been a crazy couple of weeks including the passing of my Grandmother. I wanted to ask you if it was a fully outffitted pack hunt or just a drop camp you were interested in? I did call my friend with the mules and he informed me he is selling his mules and looking to settle down a little and enjoy his retirement. He referred me to his long time hunting and guiding partner whom I have been playing phone tag with. These 2 guys have been guiding in AZ longer than I have been alive! I'll get a qoute fom him and let you know ASAP! Best of luck in your muzzy practice.

I just got my 300 back yesterday. What was suppose to be a week ended up being 5ish. Now that I am working with the muzzleloader for my elk hunt, the rifles are on hold.

M

Hey Michael, hows the testing coming along?

PM sent to you Rich.

Yeah, I dont care who is right or wrong. I just want to get it right, even if what I am doing is 'working' I want it to be working properly. Even if one can make hits with 100% predictability, we still need to know the exact velocity on impact for energy and bullet expansion. Fudging the BC OR velocity or both will show you wrong impact velocities even though the trajectory is accurate.

Also, I am scrapping the microphones. There are too many variables and components to account for superior accuracy. I have thought up a different approach. It is much easier, more accurate, cheaper and the code for talking to and calculating the data is conciderably easier. It will give me far velocity AND time of flight without relays or other contacts. Using electronic theory, I am 90+% that the system will work.

I will keep you posted.

Well it's real easy for me to keep an open mind cuz I'm not smart enough to say which of you is right but honestly it doesn't matter. You have a system that works for you 100% of the time and it sounds like Litz believes he does too and that is all that really matters. As somebody who is just starting out I personally would like to see the mystery solved so I can learn it right the first time. Without dopler we are all limited to the tools available and have to do the best we can. I'll never be half as smart as either one of you and no matter who's right or wrong your advise or his advise will get me a lot further than I could ever dream of getting on my own. I can't thank you and the others on this site enough for taking the time to help guys like me.

**It is possible, however, you still would have a lot to deal with. If you are going to set up a loptop at 300, 500, 700, 900 etc.......and network them togther, you may as well set up microphones and network those together to one computer. It could be done wireless but that gets even more expensive and in my opinion not nearly as accurate. Especially when the accuracy of the clocks are to the 6th or 7th decimal. The speed of electicity through a cable is easy to predict and can be eliminated from the equasion. It is so fast it almost is not even a concideration. I dont think the clock I am using has that many decimals. We are talking just short of the speed of light over the course of 3000' or less. (continued below)

The only other thing I can think of is to take 1 laptop mic near it and with another mic 100 yards apart starting at 0-100 yards, firing a few shots, recording info and moving them to 100 and 200 yards, then 200 to 300 so on. That might be a better overall set up. After all the debate of chrony error, I think I am going to purchase a 3rd chrony of a different brand, nail the all down front to back oon a board and shoot over all 3 at the same time for an average. For obvious reasons, I would be shooting each shot fired by the microphones over the chronies as well.

I should have my rifle back next week. Knowing this crowd, even if it shows a higher than predicted BC, I will still get the 'you're doing something wrong' treatment. At least I will know. In the end, that is all that matters. As long as I can make hits and get the math right, I could care less if they think I am right or wrong. Double chronies dont lie. That said, I maybe eating those words in a week or two!

I enjoyed every minute of the b.c. debate on LRH and was intrigued by your method of sound testing using mics and a computer and a 1000yds of cat 5. I can see why you scrapped the idea. I was wondering if it would be more practical to get a bunch of cheap laptops and for each mic you set up you plug it directly to a laptop set up next to that particular mic so if you have 10 mics you also have 10 laptops. Then you network the laptops together so all the info records on your laptop at your muzzle location. I don't know if this is even possible because I know little about computers but it seems like an easier setup than a 1000yds of cat 5.

Great topic and cant wait for your results!