gvjm - saw your comment about 6.5s and your AR-10. .. and under 200 yd shots. I have a thought for your situation: If you handload, use the 160 gr RNs that folks load the 6.5 Mannlicher-Schoenauers with. It will turn your rifle into an amazing brush gun. SD about .330, bucks brush like nothing else and great penetration. Norma, Hornady, and Barnes make them. Off an AR-10 platform it would be an unbeatable combo.