Anti cant level

[stephenr6565]

I am almost finished with my 264 Win Mag build I have every thing except a anti cant level just curious who makes the best one

 

[bill123]

I am almost finished with my 264 Win Mag build I have every thing except a anti cant level just curious who makes the best one

Accuracy First makes one with a ball instead of a bubble. It's much easier to see and the edges of the ball line up perfectly with the index lines. No estimating when the center if the ball is exactly in the middle of the lines.

 

[bruce_ventura]

I've compared the Accuracy 1st level (with the ceramic ball and curved vial) side-by-side with conventional bubble levels. I strongly prefer a bubble level for long range shooting, where cant errors of 1-2 degrees can cause a miss. The typical acrylic bubble level has a resolution of about 0.25 degree, while the Accuracy 1st level has a resolution of 1 degree. Stiction sometimes prevents the ceramic ball from moving unless the rifle is tilted 2 degrees or more. I confirmed this for myself. A 1 degree tilt of the rifle caused the bubble to move a noticeable distance, while the ceramic ball didn't move at all. The Accuracy 1st level isn't precise enough for long range shooting, IMHO.

The only benefit of the ceramic ball design that I can see is for rapid fire shooting. A bubble often breaks up into smaller bubbles when the gun is fired. It takes a few seconds for a single bubble to reform. For long range precision shooting using a bolt gun, I don't see any benefit to a ceramic ball level.

 

[bill123]

I've compared the Accuracy 1st level (with the ceramic ball and curved vial) side-by-side with conventional bubble levels. I strongly prefer a bubble level for long range shooting, where cant errors of 1-2 degrees can cause a miss. The typical acrylic bubble level has a resolution of about 0.25 degree, while the Accuracy 1st level has a resolution of 1 degree. Stiction sometimes prevents the ceramic ball from moving unless the rifle is tilted 2 degrees or more. I confirmed this for myself. A 1 degree tilt of the rifle caused the bubble to move a noticeable distance, while the ceramic ball didn't move at all. The Accuracy 1st level isn't precise enough for long range shooting, IMHO.

The only benefit of the ceramic ball design that I can see is for rapid fire shooting. A bubble often breaks up into smaller bubbles when the gun is fired. It takes a few seconds for a single bubble to reform. For long range precision shooting using a bolt gun, I don't see any benefit to a ceramic ball level.

Thanks for the input. That's good information to know. I never compared the sensitivity of the 2 levels. Unfortunately for me, I can't see a bubble that close up.

 

[WapitiBob]

I bought the scope install plate and the Holland Level from HighPower a cpl weeks ago. Worth your time to read about that install tool.

 

[Dosh]

Have the Holland on my rifles. Thought I could eyeball for cant but improved groups proved me wrong. This subject is grossly neglected along with the use of a good bore guide.

 

[dig]

Several great brands, nightforce, Accuracy, etc... The Hollands are the brightest and easiest to read for me when sticking to just a level. Do an eBay search for "anti cant" or "rifle level" lots of choices.

 

[Outlaw6.0]

I understand this thread is almost a month old so I hope the OP hasn't been holding back & has ACD on his rig already. I wanted to drop an alternative into the mix. I've ran the B-Square levels, Horus, Some other brand I can't recall, I still have a Holland (I think) & finally I've found a better mouse trap.

For the foreseeable future, I will be recommending & running the FlatLine Ops ACD. If you feel so inclined, you can also add an ACI to the setup. What sets the FlatLine apart (for me anyway) is the ability to pivot out of the dern way when not in use and the adjustable stops making it WAY, WAY easier to set the level where you need it.

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[Timber338]

I understand this thread is almost a month old so I hope the OP hasn't been holding back & has ACD on his rig already. I wanted to drop an alternative into the mix. I've ran the B-Square levels, Horus, Some other brand I can't recall, I still have a Holland (I think) & finally I've found a better mouse trap.

For the foreseeable future, I will be recommending & running the FlatLine Ops ACD. If you feel so inclined, you can also add an ACI to the setup. What sets the FlatLine apart (for me anyway) is the ability to pivot out of the dern way when not in use and the adjustable stops making it WAY, WAY easier to set the level where you need it.

Scope Level By Flatline Ops

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Great feedback ... I have not used the flatline ops level, and my only concern would be that the adjustable feature could be good and bad. From your experience using it, is there any chance that the adjustable feature could come lose in the field and cause problems? Or is it a very robust design? After the first shot, has the level shown any tendency to pop out of place? Without using it myself these are just a few of things that come to mind as concerns.

 

[Outlaw6.0]

Great feedback ... I have not used the flatline ops level, and my only concern would be that the adjustable feature could be good and bad. From your experience using it, is there any chance that the adjustable feature could come lose in the field and cause problems? Or is it a very robust design? After the first shot, has the level shown any tendency to pop out of place? Without using it myself these are just a few of things that come to mind as concerns.

Timber, thanks for the questions, let's see if I can be of help.

Adjustable features (leveling the level, so to speak):

The small adjustment screw turns with difficulty (a good thing) I don't know exactly how it's retained but I suspect it may be similar to a nylock nut. Keep in mind, these stoppers are located in the open & the closed positions.

Adjustable "Stopper":




"Stopper" screw access location:





The possibility of the level unhinging (open or closed) while afield:
The level utilizes a detent type of lock, for both the open & closed positions as seen just above the hinge pin in this picture.





I hope that helps answer your questions.



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[Timber338]

Outlaw - Thanks so much for the help. This is exactly what makes this forum so useful.

So obviously the set screw uses some form of thread lock feature, likely a plastic/rubber locking pad within the threads of the set screw. That's not going to come lose. And I can clearly see the detent features you're talking about that lock the level open/closed. Great to get feedback from guys using this gear in the field. I'm sure there are other great units that work well, but I am really liking the ability to fold the level out of the way when you're not using it. Probably going to have to get one of these for the 338 RUM build I'm waiting on right now. Thanks again.

 

[Outlaw6.0]

Outlaw - Thanks so much for the help. This is exactly what makes this forum so useful.

So obviously the set screw uses some form of thread lock feature, likely a plastic/rubber locking pad within the threads of the set screw. That's not going to come lose. And I can clearly see the detent features you're talking about that lock the level open/closed. Great to get feedback from guys using this gear in the field. I'm sure there are other great units that work well, but I am really liking the ability to fold the level out of the way when you're not using it. Probably going to have to get one of these for the 338 RUM build I'm waiting on right now. Thanks again.

No worries Timber, I'm glad to help. You're right about the adjustment screw, one way or the other It is very nice to get the level out of the dern way, especially when it's in the case. That's the one major issue I had with the Holland.


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[Deleted member 46119]

I prefer the Vortex or Xtreme.

Rugged. Reliable.

 

[stephenr6565]

I understand this thread is almost a month old so I hope the OP hasn't been holding back & has ACD on his rig already. I wanted to drop an alternative into the mix. I've ran the B-Square levels, Horus, Some other brand I can't recall, I still have a Holland (I think) & finally I've found a better mouse trap.

For the foreseeable future, I will be recommending & running the FlatLine Ops ACD. If you feel so inclined, you can also add an ACI to the setup. What sets the FlatLine apart (for me anyway) is the ability to pivot out of the dern way when not in use and the adjustable stops making it WAY, WAY easier to set the level where you need it.

Scope Level By Flatline Ops


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I went with the flat line ops and just started shooting it last weekend

here is a link to my post with pics of my rig
http://www.longrangehunting.com/forums/f19/finally-got-turned-out-awesome-136721/