3006 vs 7 rem mag to buy or not to buy

[gohring3006]

should i a buy the 7 rem mag or keep my 06 the 06 is moa and sub moa with certain loads (2in 10 shot groups at 400) everybody is on the 7 mag for long range i to go to 1000 yrds just wondering if i should get the 7 mag or spend the money on a good bdc turret scope

 

[idaho elk hunter]

They are not even comparable. The 7mm bullet is far better in the BC and sectional density area. Especially if you reload and make it what it should be, Not some neutered dog that the recent load books make it. Work the loads up to signs of primer flattening and run them over a chrono and you will see what I mean. The 06 to a 7mm is like comparing apples to oranges. Try a 168 LRAB and a slower powder like Retumbo, Ramshot, N570 etc and get 3100 out of a 26. 06 cant do it.

 

[Cascade]

06 is moa and sub moa with certain loads (2in 10 shot groups at 400)

If i'm reading this correctly...this is your answer

spend the money on a good bdc turret scope

Of course if you want another gun...get one too

 

[kcebcj]

should i a buy the 7 rem mag or keep my 06 the 06 is moa and sub moa with certain loads (2in 10 shot groups at 400) everybody is on the 7 mag for long range i to go to 1000 yrds just wondering if i should get the 7 mag or spend the money on a good bdc turret scope

It all depends on what you want. I have shot a 06 a lot and with the right load it can be a 700 yard elk rifle. Shooting a 1000 yards with it is no big deal. Mine is a 1/2 MOA rifle as you describe above. You generally really have to get a rifle tuned up to shoot that well. If you buy that 7MM more then likely won't shoot that well unless it is a custom built rifle.

idaho elk hunter is right it is apples and oranges between the two rifles but in my opinion a 30-06 that can shoot big bullets at 1/2 MOA can be a pretty sweet hunting rifle. Cheap and easy to shoot with ammo everywhere. But also the 7MM is a fine rifle so whatever floats your boat.

Buy the best scope you can afford and use it on the rifle of your choice.

 

[Barrelnut]

+100 on what Cascade says. A 2" 10 shot group at 400 yards is pretty tight. Obviously you and the rifle have something going. Use the money for a better long range scope and see what she can do.

 

[gohring3006]

thanks for the info guys i think the key to accuracy is starting with a good rifle then get to know how it recoils how to react to it and then shoot it often till it becomes an extension of u thanks again 50grns 4064 165 hornady lobs in real tight

 

[Jluck]

The answer is YES! Keep that '06 and guard it with your life AND buy a 7mag.

 

[gohring3006]

They are not even comparable. The 7mm bullet is far better in the BC and sectional density area. Especially if you reload and make it what it should be, Not some neutered dog that the recent load books make it. Work the loads up to signs of primer flattening and run them over a chrono and you will see what I mean. The 06 to a 7mm is like comparing apples to oranges. Try a 168 LRAB and a slower powder like Retumbo, Ramshot, N570 etc and get 3100 out of a 26. 06 cant do it.

I can get 3000 out of a 24 in 06 with 60gr. Of h 4350 so I'm not sold on the 168s I know the BC and SD is better In the 7 but its not enough to switch rifles im beginning to see with the right load the 06 can do what the 7 can do with in normal ranges with better bullet weight choices

 

[MontanaRifleman]

I would hesitate to sell a good shooting rifle like that so keep it. If you want a 7 mag too, go for it. I would recommend a 7 LRM or Dokota,

You might try shooting 215 Bergers over some RL17. You should get somewhere between 2800 to 2900 fps with that combo out of your 24" barrel which would put you close in velocity to a 7 mag shooting 180's out of a 24" barrel.

 

[gohring3006]

I would hesitate to sell a good shooting rifle like that so keep it. If you want a 7 mag too, go for it. I would recommend a 7 LRM or Dokota,

You might try shooting 215 Bergers over some RL17. You should get somewhere between 2800 to 2900 fps with that combo out of your 24" barrel which would put you close in velocity to a 7 mag shooting 180's out of a 24" barrel.

do I have to puchase differnt seating die for the 215 bergers because of the long secant ogive or can I use standard die?

 

[MontanaRifleman]

do I have to puchase differnt seating die for the 215 bergers because of the long secant ogive or can I use standard die?

Depending on the die you have, you may only need to get a VLD type seating stem. Redding and Hornady have VLD and A-Max seating stems.

 

[Ingwe]

They are not even comparable. The 7mm bullet is far better in the BC and sectional density area. Especially if you reload and make it what it should be, Not some neutered dog that the recent load books make it. Work the loads up to signs of primer flattening and run them over a chrono and you will see what I mean. The 06 to a 7mm is like comparing apples to oranges. Try a 168 LRAB and a slower powder like Retumbo, Ramshot, N570 etc and get 3100 out of a 26. 06 cant do it.

I totally agree.

I am loading 168gr Accubond LR's with 79.3gr (a hair BELOW Max!) of RL-33 in my M70 with a 26" Benchmark barrel and getting 3,128FPS with sub 1/2 at 100 yards.

 

[gohring3006]

I would say the If you have to shots are under 300 yards then the best option is 30-06. The 30-06 produces almost the same energy levels as the 7mm rem mag. Also 30-06 is less expensive than 7mm Rem Mag ammo. I would prefer you to go for 190-200 gr partition bullets in the .30-06.

I was doing the math and concluded that the price of getting dies,ammo,the new rifle and scope I wasn't going to get any more performance so I'm going to get a nightforce with custom turret and research for a year or so at the range putting it up against all the 7mm rem mags out there and see what's up

 

[FEENIX]

They are not even comparable.

Agree! Compare same caliber but different chamberings (using same bullets), i.e.;

.308 Win vs .30-06 SPRG

or

.280 Rem/AI vs 7MM Rem Mag

not different caliber and different chamberings to make it comparable (or close to it). lightbulb