problem with wlr primers staying in pocket

[Hunter195287]

I recently purchased some wlr primers because they are the only primers I have been able to find typically I use federal or CCI primers. I recently loaded 150 rnds using once fired brass didn't ream out pocket just brushed out carbon. Now to the point the primers fell in to pocket with almost no resistance and seating much deeper than I would like. Had a few primers after fully loaded fall right out of pockets these cartridges I instead of trying to reuse primers that fell out I popped in some federal 210 that I still had these primers went in with nice consistent tension and seating nice and flush. anyone have problems like this using Winchester primers other than me?

 

[Greyfox]

Yes, I have also had this problem with WLR's. I have also had this issue with various lots of brass, and found that all my primers brands were loose. I have a primer pocket tightener that I picked up from Midway that easily solves the problem, particularly during times like this when components are in short supply.

 

[Lefty7mmstw]

I've never seen a wlr drop out of a pocket and I've shot thousands of wlr and wlrm primers. I have a K or so loaded at present. I shoot fed primers for the most part, but occasionally stuff something else in a load when working it up to burn up components. Your loads are hot enough( or your brass tired enough) that some primers are still grabbing(I'd bet rem- they look like a blind man stamped 'em out) while the wins are telling you to back off as you've already blown your pockets. I hardly ever loose a pocket; usually that's reserved for running test loads on a new rifle.

 

[g0rd0]

once in the early 90's I had a issue with wsp(M) primers some where as you said going in too easy and others too tight, some didnot even come out of the plastic tray.
I measured them with my caliper and found that there was a lot of inconsistanceys in the diamiters. I then contacted winchester about it with the lot number of the box and my measurements. They where fast to get back to me with an appoligy and a check to cover the cost of the box of 1000 that I bought.
They thanked me for letting them know that there was a problem, wich was verry nice of them they didnot want them back just asked me to destroy the rest of the box.
It was that letter that since then has kept me asking for the winchester primers first

 

[Hunter195287]

Measured and compaired my wlr next to my fed 210 and found the wlr primers to be shorter and has smaller diameter not by much only a few thousandths but must be enough though

 

[Reloader222]

The table below explain the thickness of primer cups:
http://www.radomski.us/njhp/cart_tech.htm

 

[northernexposure]

Had the same issue loading for my 300WSM. The Winchester primers almost fell into the primer pocket. They were also shorter and allowed for the primer to be set in about .030" further into the pocket.
For those that are thinking that my brass was stretched from a hot load or excessive use.... think again! This was on NEW Winchester brass! You would think that by using Winchester brass and their primers I wouldn't have an issue.
Same brass using CCI primers... no problems.

 

[Lefty7mmstw]

Had the same issue loading for my 300WSM. The Winchester primers almost fell into the primer pocket. They were also shorter and allowed for the primer to be set in about .030" further into the pocket.
For those that are thinking that my brass was stretched from a hot load or excessive use.... think again! This was on NEW Winchester brass! You would think that by using Winchester brass and their primers I wouldn't have an issue.
Same brass using CCI primers... no problems.

Win brass has had very shallow pockets the last few years. It doesn't surprise me that they are making their primers a bit short.
I'm wondering if win hasn't had some QC issues lately as my wlr and wlrm primers are a few years old. As I said earlier, I've shot thousands of loads with win primers,and not one issue.
I usually stay away from CCI if I can. They are simply the dirtiest burning primer out there. Fed, win, and rem are better in that regard.

 

[Nimrodmar10]

Had a few primers after fully loaded fall right out of pockets these cartridges.Instead of trying to reuse primers that fell out I popped in some federal 210 that I still had. These primers went in with nice consistent tension and seating nice and flush.

Hunter
If I read that post right, you seated primers in fully loaded shells. You might as well have been playing Russian Roulette. I don't know how long you've been reloading, but I've been doing it for over forty years. In that time I've loaded hundreds of thousands of rounds. Out of that number I've had about a dozen primers fire when I was seating them. Scared the devil out of me every time. I dread to think what would have happened if any of the shells had been loaded.

 

[Lefty7mmstw]

Hunter
If I read that post right, you seated primers in fully loaded shells. You might as well have been playing Russian Roulette. I don't know how long you've been reloading, but I've been doing it for over forty years. In that time I've loaded hundreds of thousands of rounds. Out of that number I've had about a dozen primers fire when I was seating them. Scared the devil out of me every time. I dread to think what would have happened if any of the shells had been loaded.

I've been loading 20 years and never had one go off seating in all the thousands I've loaded. I seat using the seater on my rock- chucker.

That said, you are foolish to the extreme if you don't yank the pill and dump the powder back into your scale's pan until you get another primer in there.

Good catch Nimrodmar10---- I'm hoping he was simply wording poorly and not re-priming loaded ammo.

 

[7stw]

I have experienced this issue with the WLR, and WLRM primers as well. When I first experienced it, it costed me about twenty pieces of Norma brass. I was shooting another brand of primers, ran out, and decided to try the WLR 's. I noticed the loose seat, and discarded them after firing.
It's a shame too, because they are very consistent too. One thing about Winchester primers, is that the WLR primers are the hottest STANDARD primer, and the WLRM I am told, are SLIGHTLY hotter than the 215.
BTW, I HIGHLY recommend that you do not re seat primers into a loaded case. If you so much as get a chard of metal or something on the seater plug, and you push in a primer......, well, you know the rest. I'd even venture ti say you won't do that again!

The problem with the WLR, WLRM is not a new problem either. They did that to me twenty years ago. Some brass seems to be a little better, but overall, and in general, they do fit looser.

 

[7stw]

Hunter
If I read that post right, you seated primers in fully loaded shells. You might as well have been playing Russian Roulette. I don't know how long you've been reloading, but I've been doing it for over forty years. In that time I've loaded hundreds of thousands of rounds. Out of that number I've had about a dozen primers fire when I was seating them. Scared the devil out of me every time. I dread to think what would have happened if any of the shells had been loaded.

+1, what he said!!!!

 

[Hunter195287]

I did pull the bullets and re start them I just kept my wording short I'm not that dumb to take the chance

 

[Ward Thurman]

Win brass has had very shallow pockets the last few years. It doesn't surprise me that they are making their primers a bit short.
I'm wondering if win hasn't had some QC issues lately as my wlr and wlrm primers are a few years old. As I said earlier, I've shot thousands of loads with win primers,and not one issue.
I usually stay away from CCI if I can. They are simply the dirtiest burning primer out there. Fed, win, and rem are better in that regard.

We have had 2 Win primers fail to go off in a 338 Win mag. I am thinking they are too short and the pin didn't hit it hard enough.