Savage 110FCP project idea

[dragman]

I have been playing with my FCP .338 lapua, and I am thinking about rebarreling next year. what do you think about going over and truing the action and barreling it in 308 warbird??? would work with bolt and magazine I think, so it would be a really easy fit and would make an awesome long range piece. I have always loved the lazzeroni cartridges. whats everyone think??
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[Korhil78]

This is just my opinion but you would be taking a pretty big step down in performance if you did that. With me saying that, it depends on how far you will be shooting it and what you will be shooting it at. The 338 LM will always have more energy and will also drop a lot less at extended ranges. The lazzeroni cartridges are defiinately some impressive cartridges though.

 

[dragman]

Well the way I figured it with the warbird and 190 hunting VLD's I would be flatter faster and hit just as hard out to 1000 yards. I know the power of the lapua but I just was thinking this could be a cool cartridge to play with. Any one have a lot of time with the warbird.

 

[backwoods83]

My opinion is, since you have lapua brass, if its not trashed, I would go 30x338lm imp, aka 300 hulk or 300ax. 230grn berger otms at 3100 is pretty flat!

 

[laserflat]

My opinion is, since you have lapua brass, if its not trashed, I would go 30x338lm imp, aka 300 hulk or 300ax. 230grn berger otms at 3100 is pretty flat!

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A .300 Allen Express/.300 Lapua Imp will give you everything a Warbird will and more. They both have similar capacities but I have a hunch that you could run the Lapua quite a bit hotter before seeing any pressure signs. Plus your rifles already chambered for a Lapua.

 

[dragman]

there are so many choices I am gonna do a lot of thinking on this. I love my wild cats but another lapua or lapua improved could be really cool. lots of thinking before the next move. gun)

 

[LazzInc]

Dragman ,,,,,,,

I would rebarrel it and rechamber for either the Lazzeroni 8.59 (.338) Titan OR the new Lazzeroni 9.53 (.375) Saturn ,,,,, either of which will just blow right by any of the cartridges listed on this thread so far, including the Lapua magnums and wildcat versions of the same ,, see Long Magnum Cartridges ,,,,,,

if you are trying to reduce recoil, then yes, the Lazz 7.82 (.308) Warbird will do that and still have impressive long range ballistics with the 190gr VLD type bullets ,,,

 

[backwoods83]

No offense to you John, but the 338 and 375 AX out muscle your cartridges, personally I would like to see the 30-378wby top end on a blown out lapua case, I'm think 125+ grns h2o and upwards of 70k psi without brass issues and around the 3250fps range with a 230 hybrid or around 3600 with a 190 if the jacket holds up.

 

[dragman]

Thanks John,
I don't think I am gonna stay with the bigger cartridges over .30 cal. I am in PA and just don't get to really stretch out shots past 1400 yards or so. I think a big 30 or maybe even a 7 would do it. The warbird his one of those rounds that has always had my attention, there are others but that one is dang cool. Always been a Lazzeroni fan and I like to play so I may need to get a couple barrels and do a couple.
I haven't done a lot of research on the Allens and some of those others so I will do more reading so I get a look at everything.

 

[Korhil78]

No offense to you John, but the 338 and 375 AX out muscle your cartridges, personally I would like to see the 30-378wby top end on a blown out lapua case, I'm think 125+ grns h2o and upwards of 70k psi without brass issues and around the 3250fps range with a 230 hybrid or around 3600 with a 190 if the jacket holds up.

I am sure that he meant that his cartridges out do any firearm that has COMMERCIALLY loaded ammunition. He usually drills that into the dirt.

 

[LazzInc]

not sure that I want to drill it into the dirt, but in order to compare apples to apples, you need to limit each wildcat caliber you are loading to a maximum of 66,900 PSI average chamber pressure ,,,,, otherwise you are just beating your chest by overloading the cartridge to attain bragging rights ,,,,,,,

makes no difference if you think you have case issues or not with a particular load, if you are going to compare what you have done to anything else on the market, you must be able to measure chamber pressure and load each particular caliber to the same ,,,,,,

 

[laserflat]

No offense, but from a SHOOTERS standpoint, I think it was PO Ackley that said he doesnt care what the pressure number is as long as the brass is holding up fine and no worry damaging the action. I think that sums it up pretty good.

How much water capacity is the Warbird? Im not positive on the Lapua AI but its got to be around 120-125gr?? Plus I think Mr Allen pushes the shoulder up a bit as well, not certain on that though.

 

[dragman]

I think that John makes a really good point. They list loads at safe PSI ratings that they sale ammo for. If you take PO ackley and others and what they do into the equation you are no longer comparing apples to apples. Take the Warbird with a 190 and there ammo. they list 3425fps which I have seen on a chono myself be within 10fps out of my friends gun. I had a 300RUM that I could shoot 190's out of and hit 3445fps consistantly, but the pressure was SKY HIGH. Now with reloads out of my friends warbird with his hand loads and 190 bergers he was hitting 3602fps now it was pushing the limit of pressure but did shoot well. You have to put a limit like PSI on listed speeds to have a fair comparison.
example:
My PO ackley book shows a load for my 6.5-06 that is 5 grains over the max of any of my new books. does that mean that an old 6.5-06 is a faster cartridge than a New built one??? or does it mean that the old ones were pushed to higher PSI than they recomend.

 

[backwoods83]

Your right ackley pushed them harder, but that was the idea, reform the brass to keep it from stretching and showing pressure as soon and making it last longer. The CIP max on a 338lm is 68k psi on the standard, I can't see 69-69.5k psi being an issue on the improved version. I can push a 210 berger from a 300wby at almost 3100fps with a 24" barrel if I don't mind 2 loads per case.