300. win mag vs 300. RUM hunting

[matt_3479]

what would you pick and why for long range hunting. When i say long range i mean 800 yards and less. Game is Moose and whitetail mainly with a mix of Elk and caribou. Shots will be 800 yards and less. Is the RUM needed or just preferred.

What is your choice and why? Thinking 210 VLD's

 

[jcvibby]

I would say go 300 Winny every time. When you leave your ammo at home on your reloading bench and you are deep in the woods looking for it you will remember about 40 miles back you saw a little shack they call a store. They will have 300 WM ammo, not 300 RUM ammo. Just my thoughts.

Dont really need the extra velocity, get an accurate rifle first and practice making the bullet hit right where you want it to. It doesnt matter if you shoot a 50BMG at 800 yards, if you cant hit the animal it doesnt matter.

300 Winny, cheaper, easier to find in a pinch, plenty of poop at distance to kill any game.

 

[J E Custom]

what would you pick and why for long range hunting. When i say long range i mean 800 yards and less. Game is Moose and whitetail mainly with a mix of Elk and caribou. Shots will be 800 yards and less. Is the RUM needed or just preferred.

What is your choice and why? Thinking 210 VLD's

It depends on what you are trying to do with the rifle.

The 300 Win Mag 180 factory loads are about the biggest loads you can get from Winchester.
The supreme 180 ammo is 2950 ft/sec velocity with 3478 ft/lbs of energy.

The same 180 gr bullet in the 300 RUM starts out at 3250 ft/sec and has 4221 ft/lbs of energy.

The "factory" 200 gr load velocity is 3032 ft/sec with 4083 ft/lbs of energy.

At 100 to 300 yards it does not make much difference which one you use. But at 800+
yards the 300 RUM will out perform the Win Mag especially with 200+grain bullets.

You can always down load for softer /smaller targets but loading up is difficult for the
larger bullets in a Win Mag compared to a RUM.

The 300 Win Mag is tried and true with 150 to 180 grain bullets but if I were planning on
using 200+ grain bullets my choice would be the 300 or 338 RUM.

J E CUSTOM

 

[matt_3479]

I will be getting a custom and will be reloading

 

[Wyo. Coyote Hunter]

Barrel length would be important...having had both..I am sticking with the Win...

 

[liltank]

300WM and the new Berger 215. Will be all you need for anything. If you load with 185's, Bryan Litz is producing new target ammo with this bullet.

Tank

 

[pyroducksx3]

300WM and the new Berger 215. Will be all you need for anything. If you load with 185's, Bryan Litz is producing new target ammo with this bullet.

Tank

Off topic but what are the new 215 bergers?

And plus one for the win mag if you never plan on going past 800. If yourun the numbers out to 800 then you'll see the energy levels are ,while at the edge if it range, still acceptable. So while the RUM gets it done better and farther out ic you are not going to use it's potential then why deal with the extra recoil?

 

[WildRose]

what would you pick and why for long range hunting. When i say long range i mean 800 yards and less. Game is Moose and whitetail mainly with a mix of Elk and caribou. Shots will be 800 yards and less. Is the RUM needed or just preferred.

What is your choice and why? Thinking 210 VLD's

Hands down the 300 Rum. Considerably more energy and flatter shooting.

 

[matt_3479]

Barrel length would be important...having had both..I am sticking with the Win...

I am undecided on barrel length. Im debating on 26", 27", 28" barrel. Im not sure what i want, and if i want a muzzle brake or not as well.

 

[matt_3479]

Off topic but what are the new 215 bergers?

And plus one for the win mag if you never plan on going past 800. If yourun the numbers out to 800 then you'll see the energy levels are ,while at the edge if it range, still acceptable. So while the RUM gets it done better and farther out ic you are not going to use it's potential then why deal with the extra recoil?

I dont plan on ever going past 800 yards. Where i live my range is only 600 yards, and within an hour an any direction the furthest i can get out to is 831 yards to be exact. Last year i ranged every one of my honey holes and i couldn't get further then 760 yards with most being between 450-700 yards. So 800 yards will be my furthest.

If i ever found a range i wouldn't hesitate to take a shot further then 800 yards on a target and target only!!

 

[Broz]

300 win mag and never look back. They have been winning matches for years. You can get great brass for them and they will do what you posted with ease. Barrel life will be way longer than a RUM too. We shoot a lot of 210 bergers with the 300 Win. And today we took two elk with the new Berger 230's. One at 400 the other a bull at 511 yards. Both DRT.

Here is the biggest bull this year and it was at 643 yards with my 300 win and a 210 Berger.

Jeff

 

[WildRose]

300 win mag and never look back. They have been winning matches for years. You can get great brass for them and they will do what you posted with ease. Barrel life will be way longer than a RUM too. We shoot a lot of 210 bergers with the 300 Win. And today we took two elk with the new Berger 230's. One at 400 the other a bull at 511 yards. Both DRT.

Here is the biggest bull this year and it was at 643 yards with my 300 win and a 210 Berger.

Jeff

No sir that's not even close to a "Big Bull"... . That's a frigg'n MONSTER!gun)Write that story up and post some more pictures!

 

[matt_3479]

300 win mag and never look back. They have been winning matches for years. You can get great brass for them and they will do what you posted with ease. Barrel life will be way longer than a RUM too. We shoot a lot of 210 bergers with the 300 Win. And today we took two elk with the new Berger 230's. One at 400 the other a bull at 511 yards. Both DRT.

Here is the biggest bull this year and it was at 643 yards with my 300 win and a 210 Berger.

Jeff

What kind of results were you getting with the 230 bergers. I mean like velocity's and such.

Do you prefer the 210's or 230's so far

 

[Broz]

What kind of results were you getting with the 230 bergers. I mean like velocity's and such.

Do you prefer the 210's or 230's so far

To keep this thread on track I will post recent results and answer your Q here.

http://www.longrangehunting.com/forums/f19/berger-230-300-otm-hybrid-terminal-results-80283/


Jeff