Jewell Triggers??

[Greg Duerr]

I hear lots about the Jewell Trigger....................But I need to ask for those who have them. Is the Jewell Trigger that much better than an adjusted Remington trigger............Am I going to notice the $250 difference at the bench or in my groups.

I have never had one but Im thinking about getting one......................

Jewell, Jewell, Jewell Triggers..........................Is it jumping on the band wagon or are they the way to go...........

Greg

 

[SBruce]

It really depends on how light of a trigger you plan on shooting. If you are used to factory triggers and their 5lb plus pull weight, then it may not do you much good to get a jewel yet. Reasoning is that if you're used to 5#, then 2.5# will seem very light indeed. Most remingtons that I've messed with will go down to 2.5#'s safely.

The Jewel comes in when you want a trigger lighter than 2.5#. They will go down to a few ounces and still remain safe. One other thing you get with a Jewel is they are super crisp. Sometimes in order to get a factory trigger really crisp (no creep, meaning minimal sear engagement), it borders on unsafe.

The rifle shouldn't fire when we slam the bolt forward, close the bolt very quickly, tap the bolt shroud with a dowel, activate/de-activate the safety, slam the butt against the ground, or push on the side of the trigger. Pull weight should remain constant and not change. The Jewel triggers will pass these tests and give a light, crisp, consistant pull too.

After a while, you'll get used to 2.5# and find that you're still sometimes pulling the rifle off your intended target in order to break the trigger. This depends on target size/distance, shooting position/steadiness and optical power however. You may never notice it on big game with 9X optics and a casual field rest. But you will notice it on prarie dogs from the bipod with 24X optics. Best scenario IMO is to set all your rifles at the same pull weight, or as near as possible. What ever that comfortable, safe pull weight point is for you.

"Most people" seem to think that 2-3 lbs is plenty light and borderline "unsafe" on a hunting rifle. I think it's a matter of what you're used to using and your personal practices of gun handling and trigger finger control that determine if it's safe or not. If I get used to a 3lb trigger and then go and shoot a 1 lb trigger, sure; it's gonna go off before I expect it to. On the other hand when I am used to a 1 lb trigger, a 3 lb trigger feels like the safety is on!

If we don't touch the trigger until we're ready to fire, then there is nothing wrong with a trigger lighter than 2lbs IMO, and that's a strong opinion because I've pretty much used nothing but 1.5 lb or lighter triggers for nearly 20 years now. Granted, Obviously we don't want to be dropping a rifle that's cocked and locked that has a really light trigger pull, but when I am actually ready to fire; the odds of dropping a rifle are way less than winning a lottery. I am already as steady and supported as I can be, and the rifle is already pointed at the target before I even touch the trigger. I've also made it a habit of removing any gloves before I shoot.

IMO, It would be more "unsafe" to have a 3lb trigger that we shoot often, and switch to a 1lb occasionally, then it is to just stick with 1lb all the way.

 

[J E Custom]

I hear lots about the Jewell Trigger....................But I need to ask for those who have them. Is the Jewell Trigger that much better than an adjusted Remington trigger............Am I going to notice the $250 difference at the bench or in my groups.

I have never had one but Im thinking about getting one......................

Jewell, Jewell, Jewell Triggers..........................Is it jumping on the band wagon or are they the way to go...........

Greg

There are many reasons to go to an after market trigger and not just the weight adjustment
ability.

After market triggers are designed to be adjusted and most factory triggers. even though
they can be adjusted It is not recommended by the manufacture for liability. (Some people
do not know the proper way to adjust a trigger).

After market Triggers have a range of weight built in that if not exceeded should be safe
to use.

In My Opinion the Jewell is one of the best triggers available today. you can order them
preset to your weight requirements and still have the ability to tweak them a little one
way or the other. Also they have an extra link built in that makes the trigger more safe
when adjusted light.

I use and have been successful with the Remington triggers, but it is not on the same league
as the Jewell.

There are other good after market triggers, but the Jewell is just that. (A Jewell).

I have to weigh each Jewell because they are so clean and crisp that they feel lighter than
they realy are.

There is one problem though, Once you buy one you will want to replace ever trigger with
one. (I was told this by some of the members on this site long ago and they made a believer
out of me).

J E CUSTOM

 

[Greg Duerr]

Thanks for your info......................I feel more comfortable now and will ask my smith to put one on for me. I have a rifle that has a trigger pull of 24oz.(CZ 527 .19 Badger) and your right .......once you get used to it a 3lb trigger pull is way heavy. We are still in the waiting mode for the barrel and stock to arrive so I have time to make changes like the trigger.

Thanks for your help .....................


Greg

 

[WyoElk2Hunt]

I agree with JE Custom onece you have a gun with a Jewell you want all your guns to have one.

 

[Wingnut]

I am going to have to agree with others on this post. I use Jewell triggers on most of my personal rifles. The quality is outstanding and they are almost indestructible. Their are others on the market that function very well also. I have had several Timney triggers over the years and have found that they are very good quality as well. They have a larger shoe that is hard to get used to after shooting Jewell's. I have recently tried Shilen triggers and I am very impressed, so far I like them more than the Timney triggers. They do not come with the saftey and bolt release so you will either have to use the one on your factory triggers or buy the kit.

 

[rscott5028]

Did anyone mention that Jewel triggers are externally adjustable?

Hence, you don't need to disassemble your rifle to tweak it.

That's what I was told anyways and I'm planning to use one on my next build.

-- richard

 

[SBruce]

Did anyone mention that Jewel triggers are externally adjustable?

Hence, you don't need to disassemble your rifle to tweak it.

That's what I was told anyways and I'm planning to use one on my next build.

-- richard

That is correct. I believe that 2 of 3 adjustments are external and can be reached without taking the action out of the stock. If memory serves me correct, the pull weight and overtravel are externally adjustable but the sear engagement is not. Just going off memory here, I don't have one in front of me at the moment.

 

[royinidaho]

I spent a ton of dollars on a super shootin' 375 AM build. The pure enjoyment of shooting the big beast was a rush.

The most impressive feature, accuracy and shootability were a given, was the Jewel trigger. I now know what I have been missing as all of my other rigs are sporting the standard remmy trigger.

As JE said, I have to pony up for replacements for all of the remmy triggers.

 

[antelopedundee]

I hear lots about the Jewell Trigger....................But I need to ask for those who have them. Is the Jewell Trigger that much better than an adjusted Remington trigger............Am I going to notice the $250 difference at the bench or in my groups.

I have never had one but Im thinking about getting one......................

Jewell, Jewell, Jewell Triggers..........................Is it jumping on the band wagon or are they the way to go...........

Greg

I know this is old, but first to answer the OP, IMO the older Remington triggers when tuned by someone who knows what they are doing can be as good as aftermarket triggers when used on a "hunting" rifle.
Now I want to ask is Jewell out of business for good or is it temporary? I know that they had some difficulty getting stamped parts, but never heard if the issue was resolved. Seems that their website is AWOL also.

 

[Kmccord]

I know this is old, but first to answer the OP, IMO the older Remington triggers when tuned by someone who knows what they are doing can be as good as aftermarket triggers when used on a "hunting" rifle.
Now I want to ask is Jewell out of business for good or is it temporary? I know that they had some difficulty getting stamped parts, but never heard if the issue was resolved. Seems that their website is AWOL also.

I have been wondering the same thing.

 

[nksmfamjp]

This is like 12 yrs old, but I'm going to answer the OP. First, I think JE Custom(RIP) answered it pretty well.

First, IMHO, adding a better trigger is not a magic lamp for rifle groups. Off a solid benchrest with a 0.75-1.5 MOA rifle, a 3lb trigger with a bit of creep to a 1lb Jewell with no creep is not a magic lamp. I find I can shoot a 3-3.5lb factory trigger pretty well off a benchrest.

What I am buying when stepping to a Jewell or similar is improved leverage with the 3 lever designs, improved friction control and more of a safe adjustability range.

Some triggers like the XPR MOA trigger or std M70 trigger seem like they can be adjusted super light, but this often comes at the expense of turning down spring pressures to the point where reset position can be inconsistent. This happened on my XPR. It seemed like the adjustment was good. I followed the manual. Then I looked through the sear peek hole to see the sear was not resetting fully. Of course I emailed Winchester to tell them about their issue….to which I received no response. I adjusted it until sear reset was consistent and jar off was acceptable. This is not limited to Winchester. I have experienced the same with several factory and custom triggers. It is just a mechanical issue. No spring pressure equals no reset consistency.

On a Jewell, these parts are so well made and friction is so low, I find I have to dial some creep back in so it feels safe on a hunting rifle! It is actually hard to feel creep, even when it is in there. These are very good triggers. This is possible because static friction is higher than sliding friction. So, in a good trigger, you have good sear engagement, and a mechanical system that maximizes the difference between static and sliding friction.

Think about an AR15 trigger. It breaks, then drags on the sear to release. If the sear surface were short enough, you wouldn't feel that drag. AR's have lots of engagement as a countermeasure to recoil bounce. That is why Geissle 2 stage triggers are really just a trick to make to think the sear release is crisp!

The other amazing thing about Jewell is that even at 1.5oz, their triggers can be very safe. Pulling the trigger still fires the gun, but they are under enough spring pressure that they don't jar off. I can barely touch it on my 6PPC, but testing jar off is always acceptable.

What you are really buying is confidence in semi-stable shooting positions. Shoot far enough and there is wobble, Better triggers make this feel more consistent.