savage 110 ba in 338 edge
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mopar440
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i was think the same thing but i think the magazine lenght still limits its possiblities and the edge is a cheap mans lapua but with this rifle it takes away the cost of a specail action/bolt and its $1900 rifle was thinking well see alot of 338AI lapua which will nudge out the edge
but if savage would well just an action this would span some edges
but if savage would well just an action this would span some edges
Long Time Long Ranger
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The 110 BA is chambered in 338 lapua which is a better cartridge than the 338-300 ultramag you call edge. Why would anyone want to go backwards. What you may see though is people running a 338 lapua imp reamer into it making it better than either the 338-300 or the standard lapua.
highridge1
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The Lapua is not a better round than the 338-300 ultra it is simply more expensive to shoot..LOL The edge has the EDGE..
The reason Im asking about the edge is that I have a 300 rum already and I dont want to have to buy expensive brass. I can get the savage for about $1500, what would I have to do and how much would it cost to change the savage lapua to a 338 edge.
Reloading 338 edge is cheaper than reloading 338 lapua. The edge brass is cheaper (300 RUM remington brass) and often used up to 8 times before discarding it.
Look at the cost on 338 lapua vs 338 edge with a 1000 round down the tube(saving the brass vs unsaved), which one is cheaper? I don't know but if you figure it out, you know the answer if its worth it to rebarrel it to the edge.
Lapua and edge are both proven to be accurate easily past 1000yd.
Good luck.
Look at the cost on 338 lapua vs 338 edge with a 1000 round down the tube(saving the brass vs unsaved), which one is cheaper? I don't know but if you figure it out, you know the answer if its worth it to rebarrel it to the edge.
Lapua and edge are both proven to be accurate easily past 1000yd.
Good luck.
geargrinder
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I don't understand why you'd buy an overpriced rifle to save money on brass.
You could buy a Stevens 200 for $250, a prefit barrel for $300-350, a Stockade stock for $300 and have a way better rifle than the BA.
mopar440
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for this particular rifle the mag lenght isnt long enough for a repeater edge if i remeber they posted it on savage shooters i know the edge is cheaper to shoot but one of advantages of the edge over the lapua was no specail action which if wanted to built off this rifle then that advantage no longer exsists so you are down to 2 advantages edge is fast and cheaper to shoot
but lapua is a factory round and lapua brass is available
since the edge is wild cat custom barrel you can AI the lapua then it will be faster than the edge
lapua can be repeater straight form the factory the edge would require to set the bullets deep giveing up accuracy and speed
this is why i figure on seeing more AI Lapua's than edge's
their are advantages to both i believe if savage offered just the action for sale would see alot of edges but its hard to justify 1500-2000 for a single shot action for an edge when you can build it form a target action for 400 or stevens for 300 with spare parts
i do like the edge i have a barrel on order from NSS for my stevens
but lapua is a factory round and lapua brass is available
since the edge is wild cat custom barrel you can AI the lapua then it will be faster than the edge
lapua can be repeater straight form the factory the edge would require to set the bullets deep giveing up accuracy and speed
this is why i figure on seeing more AI Lapua's than edge's
their are advantages to both i believe if savage offered just the action for sale would see alot of edges but its hard to justify 1500-2000 for a single shot action for an edge when you can build it form a target action for 400 or stevens for 300 with spare parts
i do like the edge i have a barrel on order from NSS for my stevens
You should be able to fit an accuracy international mag system on this action. I would much rather buy 338 Lapua brass, not go the AI route, make a repeater and anneal cases. They will last forever and feed great. If the action becomes available I'll buy one for sure. It would be the cheapest 338 Lapua on the market.
Long Time Long Ranger
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The 338-300 ultramag is not faster than the 338 lapua. These myths get started and seem to grow. I have chronographed many of both.
Have you any published data to share with everyone?
Long Time Long Ranger
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Topbrass, I have extensive data on many 338's collected over the past 35 years. I share that on here on a regular basis. I switched to big 338's for long range hunting when Sierra introduced the 250 grain game king bullet back in the 70's with the highest BC of any hunting bullet on the market. Now it seems there is a new 338 bullet a month as the popularity of the caliber grows. It is a very good caliber to shoot for large big game. What in particular are you looking for and I will try and help you.
I am considering the 338's at this time and I have looked at various load data and it does seem that the 338 RUM and Edge have a slight advantage in speed over the Lapua.
I would like to see more data. Have you published any of your load data? Others have and I would like to start collecting the info instead of just looking at single load data.
Thanks!
I would like to see more data. Have you published any of your load data? Others have and I would like to start collecting the info instead of just looking at single load data.
Thanks!
Long Time Long Ranger
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The three you listed are virtually identical. Not enough seperation to make a call based on ballistics alone. Consider other factors to base your decision on. There are many differences but ballistics are not one of them. From all the rifles I built and all the other rifles guys brought to my range that I chronographed, the averages would be like this. The 338-300 ultra is slightly faster than the 338 ultra. Then the 338 lapua is slightly faster than the 338-300 ultramag. Probably because the lapua brass allowed the lapua to be loaded at higher pressures giving it a slight advantage. This is considering highest velocity loads. However the accuracy loads of these three cartridges all fit in a 150 fps (2725-2875)range pretty much and most within 100fps (2750-2850). Either of the three can fit anywhere in that 150 fps range. In other words one guys 338 ultramag may be 100 fps faster than another's 338-300 or 338 lapua with best accuracy loads, or switch them any way you want. Basically with best accuracy loads they are identical because they all fit within that specific range. All are equally extremely accurate.
So with that one has to consider other factors that are important to him. Ease of reloading and if you have a standard magnum action to rebarrel. And if that action happens to be a mk5 wby which is a huge plus and makes all the difference allowing you to go to a bigger 338. Basically if you have a standard magnum action that is not a wby mk5 the choice would be one of the ultramags that also would be much cheaper to reload. The standard 338 ultramag is over the counter products with no resizing cases or fireforming brass making it easier and cheaper still. That is why I stopped building the 338-300 ultramag in 2001. If you have a mk5 wby action or you are doing a custom action rig then the choice would be the 338 lapua improved, 338-378 wby or one of the improved versions of the 378 case or 416 rigby case. These would step you up considerably in performance over the ultramag case and all are equally accurate if done by a top gunsmith who is familiar with doing the chambering you decide on. Velocity performance is critical in long range shooting because of the unknown variable which is wind. You want to eliminate as much of that as possible and the higher velocity chamberings leave less of the unknown to figure.
So with that one has to consider other factors that are important to him. Ease of reloading and if you have a standard magnum action to rebarrel. And if that action happens to be a mk5 wby which is a huge plus and makes all the difference allowing you to go to a bigger 338. Basically if you have a standard magnum action that is not a wby mk5 the choice would be one of the ultramags that also would be much cheaper to reload. The standard 338 ultramag is over the counter products with no resizing cases or fireforming brass making it easier and cheaper still. That is why I stopped building the 338-300 ultramag in 2001. If you have a mk5 wby action or you are doing a custom action rig then the choice would be the 338 lapua improved, 338-378 wby or one of the improved versions of the 378 case or 416 rigby case. These would step you up considerably in performance over the ultramag case and all are equally accurate if done by a top gunsmith who is familiar with doing the chambering you decide on. Velocity performance is critical in long range shooting because of the unknown variable which is wind. You want to eliminate as much of that as possible and the higher velocity chamberings leave less of the unknown to figure.
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