Rem 700 sps v or Sav 112BVSS

[McKinneyMike]

I have also talked to some one that owns a Remmy and is going to have it set up with a barrel nut so that he can change calibers like Savage guys.

They are calling these Remington nutted barrel system a "Rem-Age". The Remington actions have nothing over the Savage action, except that it requires much higher degree of tuning to achieve similar performance that can equal a Savage. That is just a fact in 2010. A Savage action does not have to have the action/barrel interface trued to the same degree to achieve equal -performance due to the floating head bolt design. Maybe that is why Savage is making such inroads in the stock class competitions. It will not be too many more years when the old school class will see Savage in a new light. Just look at the wealth of after market Savage shooting accessories that have started flooding the market just over the past few years.

Who would have thunk it

 

[McKinneyMike]

I can agree with both of you and must say you make you point with class.
have a great evening guys

I try not to get petty. I am not saying that the Remington action does not make a fine looking firearm. It truly does. My interest lies purely in performance vs cost. I want the very best that I can afford, without getting crazy making someone else rich, when I can achieve 95% of what they offer in terms of performance with my own skills and efforts.

 

[338 LEGEND]

I understand what your saying. the main point i am trying to make is that the people that biuld top notch actions dont think a barrel nut is the way to fly, if i was going to build a savage i would build it without the nut. I cant in good fath say that a savage bolt is a good thing. please dont take my word for it, call BAT or STOLLE and ask them. if you are happy with the savage shoot them and have fun with it. I know a lot of people are having good things to say about them, but thats the same thing that happend with are new leader.
i am a GM of a manufaturing company and trust me cheaper is never better that being said i think the remington 700 action is a more like a custom action in the end. There are more aftermarket actions modeled after a 700 then any other Hands down.

 

[McKinneyMike]

Those without question are exquisite designs based upon the Remington action. I still fail to see how that detracts from the excellence of the Savage bolt head design in that you lessen the effects of the trueness of the barrel bolt face interface. I do not find any substantiated engineering evidence of a real difference in the final results between theirs vs the Savage design.

I do know that any of the Remington custom actions will require a quality gunsmith to make them worthy of their cost though. This where I see the major issue, not the differences in supposed accuracy between the their designs and the Savage action. Some like Fords, some like Chevy's. What ever make your world go round

 

[3fingervic]

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[3fingervic]

And that's when I'll buy a Bat action.

338, I hope you know that this was said, tung in cheek. Custom actions have lower tolerances that leads to better accuracy. I was brought up on Remingtons. I was also taught to steer clear of Savages. Times have changed. Savage has listened to it's customers and came up with some great ideas. The accutrigger and accustock, in my opinion, are better than Remington's offerings. I feel that Savage gives you more for your money. I have a 110 FPC-K that went for $850, and I feel it is as good if not better than a Sendero that cost $1,300. I still think that the Remmys are good firearms. But, I feel like us Savage enthusiasts always have to have to tip toe around and apologize for our choice. I'm a Savage man and and proud of it.

 

[load]

They are calling these Remington nutted barrel system a "Rem-Age". The Remington actions have nothing over the Savage action, except that it requires much higher degree of tuning to achieve similar performance that can equal a Savage. That is just a fact in 2010. A Savage action does not have to have the action/barrel interface trued to the same degree to achieve equal -performance due to the floating head bolt design. Maybe that is why Savage is making such inroads in the stock class competitions. It will not be too many more years when the old school class will see Savage in a new light. Just look at the wealth of after market Savage shooting accessories that have started flooding the market just over the past few years.

Who would have thunk it

ya and not mention theres a well respected custom gun maker who sponsers this site who took savages floating bolthead idea and couples it with a custon remington type action hes only short the barrel nut. however if you custom order just the action and bolt you can custom order a dropin barrel and nut elsewere.

 

[McKinneyMike]

I don't think that you will see these types of failures from a Savage bolt handle either

I am just saying..........

 

[sniperjwt]

It seems to me that over the last 10 years or so the people at savage have really tried to make a better rifle based off of what feedback they have been given where remington has not really made any big efforts to improve anthing but still going up on their price. Its a common known fact that remington stocks are poor but have they done anything to improve it? I think they are relying too much on the fact that they have always been the "Top Dog" in factory guns and are forgetting that they need to improve and not be satisfied with what they have. As far as cost i belive when you buy a remington that you pay more just because of they name on the box not because of what you are getting. I dont belive that when you buy a savage that is the case. There is no way it cost that much more to make the remington than it does the savage. I used to be a Remington fan but it seems they are selling the same guns with no improvements at double the cost. When they come out with a gun that has as good of characteristics as the savage at the same price then i might buy another one but if they ever do the price will probably be way more.
JMO

 

[car]

Well I did it. I bought a Rem 700 SPS Varmint in a 243 this morning. I have nothing against Savage. I have owned many Rem over the years with no problems with them. My friend that does a little gunsmith on the side felt that I would be more happy with a 700 action. Besides I wanted a 243 in a 26" heavy barrel and I didn't see anything I liked in a Savage. Price was a factor also. I picked up my 700 varmint for $507.

Now I will be looking at a good scope and rings for it and later on replacing the stock if needed.

I do want to thank all of you for your help.

Thanks,
car

 

[X3MHunter]

Well I did it. I bought a Rem 700 SPS Varmint in a 243 this morning...

ROFL!!!!!
There vote was like 95% for Savage and he still went out and bought a Remington!

Great choice Car, you won't be disappointed!

-X3M

 

[McKinneyMike]

ROFL!!!!!
There vote was like 95% for Savage and he still went out and bought a Remington!

Great choice Car, you won't be disappointed!

-X3M

Like I said. Some people like Chevy's, some Ford's. As far as not disappointed, well that is yet to be seen now isn't it

I hope it's a shooter for you all kidding aside.

 

[3fingervic]

Like I said. Some people like Chevy's, some Ford's. As far as not disappointed, well that is yet to be seen now isn't it

I hope it's a shooter for you all kidding aside.

+1gun)

 

[budperm]

Ok guys I know your getting tired of my asking question here. I have it down to a Rem 700 sps varmint in 243 or a Sav 112BVSS in 25-06.
Out of the two which would you go for?

I will be mostly be hunting PD and antelope with this gun.

I have a Rem 7mm for longer ranges on antelope/deer.

Thanks for all your help. car

HJave to say I've fallen in love with the Accu-trigger! Both my 110F 270Win and my 12BTV 223 have them and are great! The 270 was 3/4MOA out of teh box with a the flimsy older synth stock. teh 12BTV is a lamy thumbhole 223 that shoots 1/2MOA all day long out of the box. Neither required te htuning a lot of Remies do. The 270 was under $400 and teh 12BTV $600.