Maximum point blank range 0-400

I'm honestly very curious how fast you can push those and I may try them.
You should be way north of 4000 fps , last year on my load development for my 25/284 with a 25 in 1-8 twist using 62 grains of rl19 I was averaging 3860fps with the 90 gr absolute , highest vel 3876fps , settled on 61.2 grains for 3800 fps . Lapua brass , primer pockets still tight, It is a compressed load . I could not achieve that with h4350 before pressure.THE 75 grain hammers have my curiosity on how fast the 25-284 can push them.
 
You should be way north of 4000 fps , last year on my load development for my 25/284 with a 25 in 1-8 twist using 62 grains of rl19 I was averaging 3860fps with the 90 gr absolute , highest vel 3876fps , settled on 61.2 grains for 3800 fps . Lapua brass , primer pockets still tight, It is a compressed load . I could not achieve that with h4350 before pressure.THE 75 grain hammers have my curiosity on how fast the 25-284 can push them.
I need to play with some different powders also.
I used 4350 and ran with that after I broke 4 k
 
A 220 swift and 22-250 are great varmint choices. I know they probably don't have the energy you want, but they are laser and the 22 creedmoor is pretty popular also. It's owning the field right now
 
A couple of things on the 22/243 AI that plague a lot of shooters. First is the web dia on the reamer vs the Brand of brass that you choose. Most figure that they will run the tough Lapua brass, but Lapua is MUCH larger in the web than Winchester. If you want to use Lapua brass, then order a reamer off of EUROPEAN CIP specs not SAAMI specs of American. This issue of CIP vs SAAMI is no laughing matter, in fact, it is a deal killer if the gunsmith's reamer is not set up correctly. Many guys get busted on this issue of CIP Lapua brass, and I personally know 4 guys that wasted money on Lapua brass due this reason.

Second, when you neck down to 22 calibers, you should count on a clean-up neck turn on your brass. This is another issue with the brand of brass you choose.

Web dimensions on the reamer for Lapua brass are best in the .4732 area while Winchester will be .471.

You rarely ever hear of anyone running a 22/6 Rem AI. 80g A max at 3650 and never use a full-length sizer is real world, with 3800 bring top end, Retumbo and fed 215's. The 80g A max at 3650 is a great Deer and Antelope round.

The difference between the 22/243 AI and the 22/6 Rem AI is that the 22/243 AI is absolutely maxed out with some loss of primer pockets with the 75's at 3650(guys I know are shooting 3550 for this reason), while the 22/6 Rem AI is mid throttle shooting dot size groups with the 80g A max at 3650 and not losing primer pockets and never full-length sizing. The 22/6 Rem AI is better suited on a long action of course.

I had a slightly used Hart 14T benchrest barrel chambered in 22 PPC. I had the barrel rechambered to 22/243 AI, neck turned the Win brass. 60g Sierra hp at 4000 out of that now 23" barrel shoots dot size groups with Winchester 760 being the only powder used. I have a 26" Wilson in 14T that has yet to be fired, got the barrel for $100 off of ebay.

257 Weatherby with 12T, 26" shoots the 85g Nosler ballistic tips at 4130 fps on a short freebore reamer, mine was zero and another at .030 using R#19.

Keeping the 22/243 AI running at max accuracy is a chore on carbon removal. Good Bronze bristle brushes and JB are going to be your friend.

A famous gunsmith and barrel maker I knew, Harold Broughton, had been a Govm't Trapper in Texas. He and his wife were avid coyote hunters. His wife shot a 220 Swift with 52g Sierras and Harold in his latter years switched out to 25/06 shooting 100g Nosler ballistic tips for those "call wise" dogs that would hang up at 500. Harold told me that the coyotes could not stand his 25/06 load. Harold had reportedly killed over 5000 coyotes.

From all of the 22/243 AI users that I have spoken to, figure on 800 rounds of barrel life, and I talked to one guy that did not like to clean his guns that got around 450 rounds per Bartlein barrel before they were ruined. Shooting steel with a 243 AI is a barrel killer.
 
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A couple of things on the 22/243 AI that plague a lot of shooters. First is the web dia on the reamer vs the Brand of brass that you choose. Most figure that they will run the tough Lapua brass, but Lapua is MUCH larger in the web than Winchester. If you want to use Lapua brass, then order a reamer off of EUROPEAN CIP specs not SAAMI specs of American. This issue of CIP vs SAAMI is no laughing matter, in fact, it is a deal killer if the gunsmith's reamer is not set up correctly. Many guys get busted on this issue of CIP Lapua brass, and I personally know 4 guys that wasted money on Lapua brass due this reason.

Second, when you neck down to 22 calibers, you should count on a clean-up neck turn on your brass. This is another issue with the brand of brass you choose.

Web dimensions on the reamer for Lapua brass are best in the .4732 area while Winchester will be .471.

You rarely ever hear of anyone running a 22/6 Rem AI. 80g A max at 3650 and never use a full-length sizer is real world, with 3800 bring top end, Retumbo and fed 215's. The 80g A max at 3650 is a great Deer and Antelope round.

The difference between the 22/243 AI and the 22/6 Rem AI is that the 22/243 AI is absolutely maxed out with some loss of primer pockets with the 75's at 3650(guys I know are shooting 3550 for this reason), while the 22/6 Rem AI is mid throttle shooting dot size groups with the 80g A max at 3650 and not losing primer pockets and never full-length sizing. The 22/6 Rem AI is better suited on a long action of course.

I had a slightly used Hart 14T benchrest barrel chambered in 22 PPC. I had the barrel rechambered to 22/243 AI, neck turned the Win brass. 60g Sierra hp at 4000 out of that now 23" barrel shoots dot size groups with Winchester 760 being the only powder used. I have a 26" Wilson in 14T that has yet to be fired, got the barrel for $100 off of ebay.

257 Weatherby with 12T, 26" shoots the 85g Nosler ballistic tips at 4130 fps on a short freebore reamer, mine was zero and another at .030 using R#19.

Keeping the 22/243 AI running at max accuracy is a chore on carbon removal. Good Bronze bristle brushes and JB are going to be your friend.

A famous gunsmith and barrel maker I knew, Harold Broughton, had been a Govm't Trapper in Texas. He and his wife were avid coyote hunters. His wife shot a 220 Swift with 52g Sierras and Harold in his latter years switched out to 25/06 shooting 100g Nosler ballistic tips for those "call wise" dogs that would hang up at 500. Harold told me that the coyotes could not stand his 25/06 load. Harold had reportedly killed over 5000 coyotes.

From all of the 22/243 AI users that I have spoken to, figure on 800 rounds of barrel life, and I talked to one guy that did not like to clean his guns that got around 450 rounds per Bartlein barrel before they were ruined. Shooting steel with a 243 AI is a barrel killer.
Thanks for the info. I want to build a max point blank range rifle to put a thermal scope on for where yotes hang up at 4-500 yds at night. I was thinking about a 22-243ai or 243ai with light bullets.
 
55's in my 22/243 AI was a no-go for the powders I chose. I tried win 760 and the accuracy node was at 3950 which was disappointing when my 22/250 AI is running 55's at 4050 fps. Then I tried Varget and blew the primers out of several cases using 55s, learning that Varget has a steep pressure curve where pressure will spike. The velocity with varget was in the area of at 4030 fps where pressure spiked.

I screwed the barrel off for a while, then went back to it a year later remembering that the 60g Sierra and the 63g Sierra would stabilize well in a 14 twist. I hit pay dirt with the 60g Sierra at 4000 fps in the 23" barrel shooting a very, very tiny group, and shot more groups to verify the load with Win 760.

I have shot many barrels out of 243 AI's on chucks, p. dogs, and jackrabbits. I used Rem brass, 48.5g of Win 760, CCI 250 on 28" barrels shoots 3800-3850 in a zero freebore chamber with Win 760. The Hart 12 twists have a wide tune load of powder charges with the Rem brass from 48-50.3g with my lot of Win 760. 50.3g is doing 4020 fps in my 30" barrel with a Winchester mag primer shooting dot size groups.

Another consideration for you is the 6 Rem AI on a 26", 14 twist barrel. My load runs 70g Nosler ballistic tips at 4100 with max at 4150 on a zero freebore chamber. I got a deal on a Douglas 10T, 26" barrel but the bug hole tune load was at 3950 fps with the same cases, reamer, bullets, powder, and primer. With zero freebore reamers, barrel life with win 760 and AA2700 is excellent, to say the least.

My best hot rods have been:
257 Weatherby with zero freebore shooting 85-87g at 4130 and 100's at 3850
6 Rem AI with zero freebore reamers, 14 twists shooting the 70's at 4100

These two above combos are the EASY button on load development, case management, with very decent barrel life. You will screw up both of the above by increasing the freebore to over .030 and putting on a fast twist...take that to the bank.

The 6/284 with zero to .030 freebore, 14 twist shooting the Nosler 55g ballistic tips at 4300 is real world from a friend who uses the rifle as a coyote rig. The two 6/284s that I had were shot out using 85g Sierra hp at 3600 with barrel life of 800 rounds, IMR 4831.

I have done a LOT of night hunting. We considered it part of the sport to coax them in closer. We hedged out bets, where legal, to use two socks with two cans of sardines in each can, hung within each side of us. Also, we tested the wind with a spray bottle of fish oil when we started the stand. When we had a coyote start to circle, we would spray the fish oil again, and most of the time, they would come in on a run or sprint. These techniques can save you a lot of grief in shooting coyotes at a longer range at night, which are difficult to find at best.

Also, target identification past 250 yards can be difficult, especially if you are in an area with cattle. I almost shot a calf once when a bobcat hung up on me. The Cat would disappear, then reappear, sit down behind a lot of brush. The calf was laying in the grass and would raise it's head from time to time with only the eye reflecting back. Something just did not feel right, and I never just shot at the eyes. I was able to use a birdcall to get the bobcat to come on in, and we ended up shooting him with a shotgun because he was so close and coming in on a hard trot in very brushy area.
 
55's in my 22/243 AI was a no-go for the powders I chose. I tried win 760 and the accuracy node was at 3950 which was disappointing when my 22/250 AI is running 55's at 4050 fps. Then I tried Varget and blew the primers out of several cases using 55s, learning that Varget has a steep pressure curve where pressure will spike. The velocity with varget was in the area of at 4030 fps where pressure spiked.

I screwed the barrel off for a while, then went back to it a year later remembering that the 60g Sierra and the 63g Sierra would stabilize well in a 14 twist. I hit pay dirt with the 60g Sierra at 4000 fps in the 23" barrel shooting a very, very tiny group, and shot more groups to verify the load with Win 760.

I have shot many barrels out of 243 AI's on chucks, p. dogs, and jackrabbits. I used Rem brass, 48.5g of Win 760, CCI 250 on 28" barrels shoots 3800-3850 in a zero freebore chamber with Win 760. The Hart 12 twists have a wide tune load of powder charges with the Rem brass from 48-50.3g with my lot of Win 760. 50.3g is doing 4020 fps in my 30" barrel with a Winchester mag primer shooting dot size groups.

Another consideration for you is the 6 Rem AI on a 26", 14 twist barrel. My load runs 70g Nosler ballistic tips at 4100 with max at 4150 on a zero freebore chamber. I got a deal on a Douglas 10T, 26" barrel but the bug hole tune load was at 3950 fps with the same cases, reamer, bullets, powder, and primer. With zero freebore reamers, barrel life with win 760 and AA2700 is excellent, to say the least.

My best hot rods have been:
257 Weatherby with zero freebore shooting 85-87g at 4130 and 100's at 3850
6 Rem AI with zero freebore reamers, 14 twists shooting the 70's at 4100

These two above combos are the EASY button on load development, case management, with very decent barrel life. You will screw up both of the above by increasing the freebore to over .030 and putting on a fast twist...take that to the bank.

The 6/284 with zero to .030 freebore, 14 twist shooting the Nosler 55g ballistic tips at 4300 is real world from a friend who uses the rifle as a coyote rig. The two 6/284s that I had were shot out using 85g Sierra hp at 3600 with barrel life of 800 rounds, IMR 4831.

I have done a LOT of night hunting. We considered it part of the sport to coax them in closer. We hedged out bets, where legal, to use two socks with two cans of sardines in each can, hung within each side of us. Also, we tested the wind with a spray bottle of fish oil when we started the stand. When we had a coyote start to circle, we would spray the fish oil again, and most of the time, they would come in on a run or sprint. These techniques can save you a lot of grief in shooting coyotes at a longer range at night, which are difficult to find at best.

Also, target identification past 250 yards can be difficult, especially if you are in an area with cattle. I almost shot a calf once when a bobcat hung up on me. The Cat would disappear, then reappear, sit down behind a lot of brush. The calf was laying in the grass and would raise it's head from time to time with only the eye reflecting back. Something just did not feel right, and I never just shot at the eyes. I was able to use a birdcall to get the bobcat to come on in, and we ended up shooting him with a shotgun because he was so close and coming in on a hard trot in very brushy area.
Thanks! Appreciate that info. I'll shoot you a pm to keep this this thread cleaner. Thanks again!
 
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