7MM Rem Mag vs 6.5 CM at 600 yards on cow elk

[COBrad]

I've had one experience shooting elk with a creed. I was guiding 3 guys a few years ago who were using 6.5 creedmore's. Elk were ranged at 632 yards. One guy fired and wounded one that starts limping along slightly. Next guy fires almost the same time and hits one that I can see is hurt, but walks off onto the brush before another shot can be taken. Other guy shoots at the limping cow and she drops. High shoulder shot he says. When we get over there the dead one was hit in the head… lucky bad shot. I tracked the other that was hit but the small blood trail ended in just a few hundred yards. I believe if the guys had hit these broadside shots in the boiler room these cows would have died quickly enough. My biggest impression was the one we got. The limp was because the elk was hit in a front hoof. Bullet hole in but not out and the hoof was intact. Bullet hole in the head but no exit and the head was not visibly damaged otherwise. I don't know which bullet they were using. Closer range and their shooting would still have been bad shots but damage would have been increased. The creed will no doubt kill an elk at the medium ranges we're talking about but it would not be my first choice.

 

[dogz]

Another good reason for most all (note I said most) to keep their shooting on game to sub 400 yards.............

I feel that the equipment made today makes way too many people to take shots beyond their day to day ability's.

 

[Sako28]

I hunt elk with a .300 and 215 Hybrids. Bull elk are big animals. I can't imagine spending big money on a hunt and bringing a 6.5 CM. I don't get it. But I'm sure the experts on here will educate me.

 

[cabelasken]

Gotta call BS on this. With the right bullet the 7 mag is an effective thousand yard elk rifle. I had a long range 7 mag built specifically to shoot Berger 180 HVLD's. I was getting 2990 FPS and used it it take an elk at 1098 yards. Broadside shot bullet completely penetrated the animal coming to rest against the hide on the far side. Bullet mushroomed nicely.

did you notice the bullet he stated he was using in the 7 mag??

 

[General RE LEE]

This is a good thread because I have a Rem 700 Sendero in 7mm STW and a 6.5 Creedmoor Tikka T3x. Both shoot great but I prefer the Tikka T3x due to its amazing accuracy and lightweight. I only hunt whitetail deer so the 7mm STW is pretty unnecessary. I hit steel plates out to 750 with my Tikka T3x sporter 6.5 Creed all the time.

 

[COBrad]

did you notice the bullet he stated he was using in the 7 mag??

Yes I did that's why my comment said with the right bullet. IMO a blanket statement saying the 7 mag was unsuitable for that range is misleading.

 

[Reelamin]

Recommending questionable cartridges for elk is this forum's equivalent of driving a lifted truck with the rubber testicles hanging off the trailer hitch.

That was a solid triple and home if you have legs. You only forgot "with the low profile short sidewall tires on 24" rims" and could have walked backwards because it was out of the park.

 

[Sako28]

I don't give advice very often because people don't listen. So take this with a grain of salt. Elk rifles start with a 7 and end with a 338.

 

[Bravo 4]

Recommending questionable cartridges for elk is this forum's equivalent of driving a lifted truck with the rubber testicles hanging off the trailer hitch.

I "see" your truck nuts and raise you this crapper!

 

[Wyo37]

I don't give advice very often because people don't listen. So take this with a grain of salt. Elk rifles start with a 7 and end with a 338.

So a 7-08 = elk rifle? But 6.5 creed = not an elk rifle? Perhaps you were referring to a different 7mm.

Lb ft of energy seem to be the end-all-be-all.....

A 7-08 150gr eldx has 1391lb ft of energy at 500yds per hornady.

A 6.5 creedmoor 143 eldx has 1308lb ft of energy at 500yds per hornady

They seem pretty similar.

How many lb ft of energy are required for a bullet to pass through an elk?

 

[Rich Coyle]

I don't give advice very often because people don't listen. So take this with a grain of salt. Elk rifles start with a 7 and end with a 338.

So I can't use the. 375 anymore?

 

[Sako28]

So I can't use the. 375 anymore?

I guess 375, 416 and 458 are cool....

 

[codyadams]

I guess 375, 416 and 458 are cool....

I guess I gotta retire the ol' .44 magnum brush huntin' carbine.......

;-)

 

[Kimber7man]

I hunt elk with a .300 and 215 Hybrids. Bull elk are big animals. I can't imagine spending big money on a hunt and bringing a 6.5 CM. I don't get it. But I'm sure the experts on here will educate me.

Yeah I wonder what all those archery hunters are thinking?