Scarry thought for me..........
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I totally agree, when I was a kid at 16 shooting a coyote at 300 yards was pretty good, and not a given. Three decades later that same shot is easy.....
Rich Coyle
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I Don't understand killing an animal with ethics. I use a rifle. And I don't understand respecting animals at all, but I guess I respect animals more than some people.
Let's not open up this can of worms. THIS IS A LONG RANGE HUNTING SITE. If you don't like it go read something else.
Rich, I guess I don't understand your comment about respecting animals. I don't agree or disagree, what do mean by that? Not trying to start anything.....
Rich, I guess I don't understand your comment about respecting animals. I don't agree or disagree, what do mean by that? Not trying to start anything.....
"BIG GUNS"
I think what Rich is saying...that if you throw 'ethical killing' of an animal into the equation you shouldn't be killing that animal to start with.....
That 'taking the life of an animal deserves more thought than pulling the trigger...hunting wasn't started as sport..it was to feed oneself.. being the hunter on four feet or two....now 'sport hunting' is destroying the true essence of being a hunter.....
My thoughts on the whole subject...
Rich I hope I read you correct..if not I apologize....
I will venture a meaning to "respecting animals". To me it is more about appreciating the freedom to roam wild lands and pursue wild game. Appreciating the wonder of the challenge of working the ground and seeing and learning the countryside and game you pursue. At its purest form archery hunting gets you close to nature in a way long range sniping won't. Whether with a bow, black powder roundball muzzleloader or a 270 with a 3-9 scope you are to some degree on intimate terms with your quarry and the animal you pursue has the chance to outwit you. When shooting game at long range one has canceled any chance your quarry has to avoid you. Hell a buddy of mine just got back from a long range hunting class and they opined you could check wind deflection by shooting at say a rock not to close to your quarry to verify you'r hold off. How much of a chance does game have to avoid you if you can lob lead in their direction so you can verify conditions before the kill shot. Some people just do not understand reducing hunting to a cold technical kill that has more to do with equipment and sniping proficiency than old school field craft. No judgement here and I appreciate and respect especially the hunter that packs in, hunts hard and is prepared and able to harvest a trophy at 50-1000 yards. It is hard to invest in hunting hard and get stymied by a rugged canyon that leaves you no choice but pass up the shot or be prepared and able to make that shot. I can appreciate a skilled shooter that goes about and sets up mostly to harvest out past 500 and make clean kills, it is just not my desire to experience the hunt that way. For those that think clipping a 20" steel at 1000 yards 3 times out of five qualifies as skilled enough?? Well let's not go there. I would wonder why one would get defensive when another hunter does not understand why one would reduce the hunting experience to something as sterile as a long range kill. Why am I here? Simple for the information and sharing of hunting. I can learn and at the same time feel comfortable that I do not care to lug a 15 lb rifle, with a muzzle break, mounted with a scope that eclipses anything our military snipers use around the hills.
Hand Skills
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Thanks for pointing that out. I agree with your assessment.
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17remhunter
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I worked at our NRA shooting range for 6 month, as the Range Safety Officer. Almost everyone that came it was into LRH. However, in the 6 months i worked there I saw maybe 12 shooters that had a high skill level for LRH or Long Range shooting. One of the things I would repeat over and over to shooters was that out in the field you wont have a nice cement bench and a solid front and rear shooting platform to shoot from. What ever distance you feel confident at here in the field you need to cut that distance in half. .
I read an article in FUR-FISH and Game that Idaho is seeing a lot of lost and wounded game as a result of the Long Range Hunting Sport. Enough that they are looking into a tag cut back. As I witnessed at the Range the vast majority of those who wanted to take a deer at 800yards were more likely best to stick to a 200 or less shot......
I read an article in FUR-FISH and Game that Idaho is seeing a lot of lost and wounded game as a result of the Long Range Hunting Sport. Enough that they are looking into a tag cut back. As I witnessed at the Range the vast majority of those who wanted to take a deer at 800yards were more likely best to stick to a 200 or less shot......
Varmint Hunter
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FWIW - I actually prefer medium range shooting at big game. You know, less than 500yds.
I hunt whitetails in NC and SC every year. My hunts are booked with outfitters. They all use bait and its typically placed at around 75yds from the stands. I asked why they do that and was told most shooters miss or wound deer at anything over 100yds.
I always ask for stands that overlook large fields, hopefully soybeans where I can get medium range shots or view deer at long range. Most outfitters don't even want to put you in such a spot because EVERYONE claims to be a longrange shooter but very few actually are.
If you saw some of the rifles and optics they bring to shoot deer at 75yds you'd think they were military snipers. LOL
I hunt whitetails in NC and SC every year. My hunts are booked with outfitters. They all use bait and its typically placed at around 75yds from the stands. I asked why they do that and was told most shooters miss or wound deer at anything over 100yds.
I always ask for stands that overlook large fields, hopefully soybeans where I can get medium range shots or view deer at long range. Most outfitters don't even want to put you in such a spot because EVERYONE claims to be a longrange shooter but very few actually are.
If you saw some of the rifles and optics they bring to shoot deer at 75yds you'd think they were military snipers. LOL
17remhunter
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I agree Lots of shooters at the Range with a lot of money. Custom Rifles but most all are not reloaders. Ive seen shooters that buy Custom Match Reloads for their Rifle costing $125 a box
hilbillyconquest
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There could never be truer words said.....
17remhunter
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Thanks for putting this into a clear explanation.............................I agree
BrentM
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There is a ton of non-factual info in that article IMO(never heard of it nor seen it). I am friends with a couple f&g guys and yes there are plenty of stories against LR hunting but there are lot more regarding horrible behavior that has been around long before LR became a popular word. There are also a pile of extreme range bow hunters giving bow hunting a bad name. There are plenty of idiots who think they can take a 500 yard standing shot with open sites as well, let alone scoped. The sheer amount of BS is off the charts. The facts are, most people don't shoot their rifle until a few days before season and that is from a bench to check zero. Guiding over the past 35 years I rarely encounter a hunter with a decent set of skills period. Idaho's issue has nothing to do with LRH and tags, that is pile of BS.
