If lead bullets are banned fir hunting what bullets will you use?

[dgr416]

Yes they are planning on banning lead bullets for hunting in many states and it will greatly effect hunting .The price of ammo will skyrocket again just what we need .California already has this law now Minn wants it and several others .They are using the excuse that lead is killing eagles and brainwashing kids to believe it just like the condor hoax in California.This will make all your lead core bullets illegal to hunt with .They even have plans to make it illegal to target shoot with it .I have also noticed lots of steel cases ammo from win Chester .If they date primers we are done reloading like the army has .I have had bad luck and bad accuracy and fouling with solid copper bullets in my rifles .

 

[HARPERC]

I've been using the Hammer's with good results. Other good mono's out there just I haven't tried them. From a technical standpoint there are excellent mono's available that stand on their own merits.

If it's a political rant I'm right there with you regarding the regulation of lead core bullets.

Currently using mono's by choice.

 

[mmacfive]

I primarily been using Barnes for 20 years or so now. I can't think of any reason to change.

 

[cabelasken]

I have taken 30 or so animals with Barnes bullets and for the most part they have been superb. And I reload for a few friends and they have taken a half dozen more game animals. We have only had what I would recall two failures. One was a 150 TTSX in a Rem Mag on a mule deer buck at 40 yds broadside shot. All the petals broke off. Deer was dead in it's tracks, but I have come to expect 100 % weight retention from these bullets and full penetration. And last year i shot a wounded bull elk from above - 200 yd steep angle from above. it appeared the bullet glanced off the near side of the spine just in front of the hip and lodged in the opposite shoulder bone. Very little deformation from the bullet that i found lodged in the shoulder bone. I think that as the bullet hit the spine it reversed and went thru heal first and that is how I found it in the shoulder bone. All other recovered or non recovered showed perfect 4 petal expansion with over twice the diameter going out. It's nice to see a 4 petal exit hole in the hide. And unlike other premium bullets, these have been superbly accurate. I have a 284 Win that likes the non tipped variety and my 300 WSM likes the TTSX Variety. I understand Barnes may offer lots of 250 or 500 when manufacturing is back in full swing and that will be good! Now when I work with a new rifle, I try these first.

I do know that Barnes had early tooling problems that caused the olgive to be inconsistent and therefore seating depths were inconsistent with their soft point bullets. I noticed this and sent a letter off to their customer service office back around the mid 90's. I was told they would replace all that i had of certain lots, but it wasn't that many so I used them up as fouling shots. I went to the TSX bullets around 2005 or 6 and have used them or the TTSX ever since.

 

[memtb]

I'll continue (since 1993) to use my Barnes' in the rifles. Anything else, I'll use "cast"! They're not lead......they're an alloy! memtb

 

[yorke-1]

Yes they are planning on banning lead bullets for hunting in many states and it will greatly effect hunting .The price of ammo will skyrocket again just what we need .California already has this law now Minn wants it and several others .They are using the excuse that lead is killing eagles and brainwashing kids to believe it just like the condor hoax in California.This will make all your lead core bullets illegal to hunt with .They even have plans to make it illegal to target shoot with it .I have also noticed lots of steel cases ammo from win Chester .If they date primers we are done reloading like the army has .I have had bad luck and bad accuracy and fouling with solid copper bullets in my rifles .

I don't think it's a hoax that high concentrations of lead are hazardous, it's been pretty well documented for decades. If it's bad for kids to eat paint chips, it seems pretty reasonable to say it's bad for wildlife to eat lead pellets.

Which solid copper bullets have you tried? The early Barnes X bullets weren't great, but the newer Tripple shocks haven't given me any excessive fouling issues. I've also had good luck getting acceptable accuracy from solid coppers made by Cutting Edge, Lehigh, Barnes, Hornady, Nosler, and Hammer. I switched my last hunting rifle over to copper bullets a few years ago and I doubt I'll ever go back to lead for hunting.

 

[dgr416]

My old rugers won't shoot any solid copper bullets at all and neither will my weatherby rifles .I have not tried any in my 260 rem rifles or my 264s .I read the waterfowl report on how the ducks died from lead back in 1985 .They feed the ducks 7 pounds of lead a day with a tube each day till they died .It was the biggest hoax because never in a lifetime would a duck eat a pound of lead .Its all a way to cut the number of bullets we can buy to make them way more expensive .

 

[yorke-1]

Which specific bullets did you try and when? Were they factory loads, or had loads?

There's a big difference between a Barnes X bullet from 1995 and any of the modern solid copper bullets.

 

[Hugnot]

Depleted uranium

How bad a health risk compared to lead:

https://phc.amedd.army.mil/PHC%20Resource%20Library/UrineTestingDUJan2010.pdf

Probably real pricy. Probably, a thin rod of DU embedded in a copper cylinder would make for a shorter bullet than a mono-core copper bullet and would have a similar length as a conventional copper/lead cup & core bullet but with less heavy metal content.

 

[bluedog69]

Tungsten? Denser than lead? Higher BC bullets? Longer ranges?

 

[Hugnot]

It's a toss-up - gold at 19.3 g/cm cube, uranium at 19.3 g/cm cube or tungsten at 19.3g/cm cube.

http://www.swage.com/ftp/tungsten.pdf#:~:text=The%20most%20obvious%20use%20of%20tungsten%20powder%20in,and%20fit%20into%20normal%20magazines%20and%20revolver%20cylinders.

Apparently, bullet cores could be made from sintered tungsten and not have the destructive penetrating features as DU - incendiary and jagged sharp edges.. No armored deers needing DU.

Gold core bullets would be most friendly to steel targets and more available during the current supply emergency. Probably would be OK to drink beer out of a sintered tungsten or gold cup.